Harv,

The very essence of Christianity is Jesus.

You say Jesus was a "liberal humanist," -- I am interested in how (you didn't really get into this main point).

Harv said:"(which was the reason that Jesus' cruxifixion was rushed)."

Jesus was not crucified by Jews, harv, but by Romans; therefore the process and speed with which he was crucified had nothing to do with the Jews.

Harv said: "Well, today we have a modern version of these people so dedicated to a literal interpretation of the Hebrew bible. "

No, modern Christians are not interested in the literal interpretation of the Hebrew Bible. . .in fact that is one of the main points of Christianity. . .they are however, interested in the literal interpretation of the New Testimate.

Harv, you seem impressed with your own ability to judge Christian beliefs, but you have a very poor understanding of "real" Christian beliefs.

By "real" I mean those beliefs which Christians actually hold today (as opposed to the beliefs Harv thinks they hold). Have you actually talked with Christians who believe these things you say Christians believe?

A good book for you: Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

It might help you if you decide to do a little research.

• Joseph - harvey1 - November 3, 2003 - 21:29 UTC
  • Every religion is "humanist" by your definition. - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 19:02 UTC
    • Secular humanism - harvey1 - November 4, 2003 - 19:23 UTC
      • Janism might be considered as non-humanist. ??? - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 19:42 UTC
        • You got me! - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 19:50 UTC
        • True... - harvey1 - November 4, 2003 - 19:53 UTC
          • I agree - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 20:05 UTC
• Groucho Marx was a Jew, Harv - carefuluniverse - November 4, 2003 - 08:43 UTC
  • A good patronizing insult. - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 19:04 UTC
    • However, I am quite well-equipped with shortcomings myself - carefuluniverse - November 5, 2003 - 05:30 UTC
• My experience with Christian Churches - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 13:01 UTC
  • Very interesting. . . - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 18:44 UTC
    • Churches did not exist in the time of Jesus - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 18:58 UTC
      • Temple: a jewish "church" - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 19:09 UTC
        • Only one temple in the time of Jesus - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 19:15 UTC
          • and now, back to the point. - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 19:25 UTC
            • Because Jesus said so - yanniru - November 4, 2003 - 19:51 UTC
              • "Thou shalt not pray in synagogues or on street corners?" - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 20:11 UTC
                • Joseph spoke for me on this one - carefuluniverse - November 5, 2003 - 05:48 UTC
              • Christ -- the messiah? - jracko - November 4, 2003 - 21:01 UTC
                • I practice all religions - yanniru - November 5, 2003 - 00:47 UTC
                  • Wise Men Still Seek Him; Most folks still persecute him - carefuluniverse - November 5, 2003 - 05:35 UTC
                    • Christ Means Messiah! There is only one Messiah! - jracko - November 6, 2003 - 23:06 UTC
                  • What path is not a valid path - yanniru - November 5, 2003 - 13:14 UTC
                    • You completely misquote the scripture! - jracko - November 6, 2003 - 23:05 UTC
                      • What do you think it means?? - yanniru - November 7, 2003 - 12:43 UTC
                        • and what of "hateth his life in this world shall. . ."? - jracko - November 10, 2003 - 20:44 UTC
                          • Seems we are in complete agreement - yanniru - November 10, 2003 - 22:00 UTC
                  • Jesus was not "a christ"! - jracko - November 6, 2003 - 23:08 UTC
                    • Other religions have avatars - yanniru - November 7, 2003 - 13:04 UTC
                      • On what basis? - jracko - November 14, 2003 - 01:03 UTC
                        • Apparently you have notstudied any other religion - yanniru - November 14, 2003 - 20:12 UTC
                          • Avatar monkey-man? Nice story, Richard. - jracko - November 17, 2003 - 20:14 UTC
  • Maybe they are filled with a different demographic - carefuluniverse - November 5, 2003 - 05:46 UTC