I won't deny I have a spiritual side. I have a suspicion that there is much more to reality than we see. But at the same time, I would never claim my views on the issue to be valid, as I know them to be subjective. That is what seperates me from theists, even more than my lack of belief in a god. Some atheists have subjective beliefs, too, they won't admit it, though. I have always tried to fight subjectivity, and it always frightens me when I discover subjectivity masquerading as objectivity in the world.

You said "( Which whether or not was reality, was in FACT
the ONLY THING THAT MATTERED ) unless you wanted
to be beheaded."

I totally disagree. Without human belief involved, the earth would still revolve around the sun. THAT is the only thing that matters. Not what people think it is, but rather what it really is. Should I believe what everyone else does simply because it's easier for me? That is NOT belief, it's conformity. There is a large difference.

"We are ARCHAIC! Who are we to
make such demanding SPECULATIONS???? Shame on us."

If we are capable of making speculations (speculations based on objective reality, as far as we can tell) what is wrong with that? I realize that we as humans are imperfect and fragile, but it's all we've got. Better make the most of it.

"We may not all NEED " GOD "
, but for heaven's sake let the people who DO, alone. If they're happy, I'm happy."

If people who believe in God cannot defend such beliefs against the simple arguments I use, then the loss of those beliefs aren't worth many regrets.

It all comes down to what you value more. Happiness or truth. If, for example, science could prove, without a shred of doubt, that God did not exist and our existence is meaningless, would you want to know? Would you rather be knowledgeable and somber or ignorant and blissful?

• Not understanding the Logic here.... - crowslayer - June 11, 2001 - 18:55 UTC
  • Shouldn't life be about more than happiness? - stormcrow - June 11, 2001 - 20:57 UTC
    • Yes it WOULD make the Dragon real. - crowslayer - June 12, 2001 - 03:43 UTC
      • NO IT WOULDN'T - stormcrow - June 12, 2001 - 04:23 UTC
        • I won't even read the whole thing-Here's why - crowslayer - June 12, 2001 - 04:42 UTC
          • Maybe you should read it again - stormcrow - June 12, 2001 - 18:02 UTC
            • Don't get mad! - doctordick - June 13, 2001 - 16:29 UTC
            • I'm tellin ya, it is. - crowslayer - June 13, 2001 - 19:00 UTC
              • You're ignoring everything I've said so far - stormcrow - June 13, 2001 - 19:38 UTC
                • What makes you say TRUTH so much? - crowslayer - June 14, 2001 - 06:11 UTC
                  • Again - stormcrow - June 16, 2001 - 01:01 UTC
                    • She's blern a plasma coil, Capt! - crowslayer - June 17, 2001 - 06:08 UTC
                      • She sure has - stormcrow - June 17, 2001 - 16:46 UTC
                        • Oh my... - crowslayer - June 17, 2001 - 21:59 UTC
                          • I think this argument is getting a TAD cyclic. - stormcrow - June 18, 2001 - 00:23 UTC
                            • Don't even mention his name. Shame on ya - crowslayer - June 18, 2001 - 04:36 UTC
                              • Are you a solipsist? - stormcrow - June 18, 2001 - 14:12 UTC
                                • Play all you want. - crowslayer - June 18, 2001 - 22:56 UTC
                                  • Getting pissed, now? - stormcrow - June 19, 2001 - 00:53 UTC
                                    • Missed the point. - crowslayer - June 19, 2001 - 03:05 UTC
                                      • I don't think so - stormcrow - June 19, 2001 - 03:28 UTC
                                        • Here's why... - crowslayer - June 19, 2001 - 15:12 UTC
                                          • Agree and Disagree - stormcrow - June 19, 2001 - 20:47 UTC
                                            • I know they do, "BUT" - crowslayer - June 19, 2001 - 21:12 UTC
                                              • Not good enough - stormcrow - June 20, 2001 - 02:40 UTC
                                                • Right...Good Enough, sir - crowslayer - June 20, 2001 - 03:20 UTC
                                                  • Okay - stormcrow - June 20, 2001 - 14:03 UTC
                                                    • Omit your last word ;-) - crowslayer - June 21, 2001 - 03:59 UTC
                                                      • So why do you believe then? - stormcrow - June 21, 2001 - 13:47 UTC
                                                        • Hey Guys! - doctordick - June 21, 2001 - 15:42 UTC
                                                          • Okily Dokily - stormcrow - June 21, 2001 - 18:13 UTC
                                                            • Also - stormcrow - June 21, 2001 - 18:22 UTC
        • Oh yea, and one more thing:-) - crowslayer - June 12, 2001 - 04:52 UTC