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I posted this at another forum. Comments welcome.

comment:

"time's arrow" or ..... Zeno's arrow????

If things are created from free
association; then they are neither
reversible nor irreversible as time itself is
constructed with/ in/ through them.

The problem with counting: it involves
sticking things together in groups; and
may give them a static, dead look.

"Entropy increases with time passing"
might be a double definition?

"Entropy", the tendency of breaking
groups; becomes more frequent with
"time passing" that is with "increase in
re-grouping possibilities?"

Well it COULD; the more "time passes";
the more logically possible ways you
into groups.

But it doesn't have to; entropy is voluntary.

The laws of physics appear to become
only "law", or "group" as in "categorizing
phenomena in an organised way" when
you COUNT.

Entropy only has to increase when "time
passes" when you COUNT TIME
PASSING.

And the entropy is thus surely? defined in
a self-referential Zeno's Arrow manner of
self-referential layers along with the
pyramid-Zeno's Arrow manner in which
numbers are themselves constructed.

So with entropy we see an example of
the relationship between physics and
mathematics; the voluntary nature of it;
the non-compulsory nature of it.

We can surely see the idea here, outside
the "stickiness" of numbers; to the ideas
of the Kingdom Of Heaven and eternal
life.

"As you judge, so you are judged" it has
been said.

Seeing phenomena with the "beam in
your eye" of "counting with number"; and
"entropy" will seem compulsory.

Have faith in Existence; in God; and "you
could say "move" to this mountain, and it
would move".

The seemingly restrictive nature of
physics laws: could it be an illusion? Are
we deceived by an imaginary matrix of
numbers; of forced "dead" groups; of

The laws of physics: seems that many at
least can be shown to be what Dr.
Richard Stafford called "true by definition".

further detail:

items to be counted: "category of entropy";
"category of time"; "numbers in entropy
category"; "numbers in time category".

COUNTING:

First count:

entropy category: content: say "ten".

time category: content say "zero".

Second count:

entropy category (this category now
visited twice).

content say "fifteen"

time category (this category now counted
twice.)

content say "one".

What is happening is that in order to keep
telling apart "time" and "entropy" as
cataloguing systems say:

their contents might count them as they
count their contents?

Why does "entropy increase as time
passes"?

In order to keep distinguishing apart the
categories "entropy" and "time"; consider:

"time passing" involves an increase in
ways phenomena can be re-grouped.

"entropy" involves breaking up of groups.

Each comparison of the two categories
involves being able to tell them apart to
compare them.

In order to DEFINE "entropy" and "time"
for a SECOND visit to these categories; in
order to keep these categories apart to
keep counting their contents; they must
be like two DIFFERENT WAYS of dividing
a long box with dividing walls into
segments.

By definition; the "breaking into groups"
known as "entropy" MUST increase if you
are to continue to tell your
information-cataloguing-system "time"
"entropy" apart as you COUNT their
contents?

When you count with "time"; you also
must count "time" as in see it as
DIFFERENT to entropy. Like Zeno's
Arrow? "Time" divides entropy each time
you look at entropy with "time" catalogue;
this extra dividing of catalogue "entropy"
breaks it up more.

But "entropy" is "breaking up into groups";
so by definition: entropy increases when
you look at it from perspective of "time
passing".

-Alan