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Re: Re: Re: Re: An Agnostic Stance

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Posted by Benjamin Nelson on February 1, 2001 13:53:19 UTC

Alexander:

The issue of power of science versus the uselessness of religion is settled? Surely you must be joking. In fact, this belief that you can penetrate the veil of contingency and happenstance and behold a crystalline perfection is the deepest of faiths. Indeed, it is a daring leap of faith to believe that the brain evolution gave us to seer our way though earthly labyrinths is equipped to perform these abstractions, to use the power of general relativity to explain the heavens and quantum theory to explain the subatomic realm. Godel, after all, proved that mathematics has its limitations. Wittgenstein demonstrated this in a more general way. He argued that in our search for order, we use language -- verbal or mathematical -- to make theories, representations, "pictures" of the world. But we have no way of explaining how it is that our theories are capable of describing what we take to be reality. To be sure, any effort to explain the world must being with a leap of faith, and I see no difference between your dogma and that of the fundamentalist Christian.

B. L. Nelson

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: An Agnostic Stance - alexander - February 1, 2001 - 14:37 UTC
No offense, Ben, but... - stormcrow - February 2, 2001 - 03:51 UTC
- Higher Vantage Points - blnelsonusa - February 2, 2001 - 14:08 UTC
  - Fact - alexander - February 2, 2001 - 19:21 UTC
    - Re: Fact - blnelsonusa - February 2, 2001 - 19:55 UTC
      - Re: Re: Fact - alexander - February 2, 2001 - 20:11 UTC
        
        Re: Re: Re: Fact - blnelsonusa - February 2, 2001 - 20:25 UTC
        
        Crisis of education. - alexander - February 2, 2001 - 21:19 UTC
  - Wait a second! - richard - February 2, 2001 - 20:10 UTC
    - Re: Wait a second! - blnelsonusa - February 2, 2001 - 20:38 UTC
    - Boxy minding. - alexander - February 2, 2001 - 20:45 UTC
      - Alexander, I must say you are over-stepping it here. - richard - February 2, 2001 - 23:04 UTC
        
        Cristian brothers teaching physics? - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 00:55 UTC
        
        Alexander, You know are rated at the level of Jisbond!!! - richard - February 3, 2001 - 03:14 UTC
        
        Who cares about rating here? - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 04:06 UTC
        
        a word to the wise, if i may - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 21:50 UTC
        
        Of course, it is easier to read Bible than to learn. - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 23:33 UTC
        
        to clarify - gwynj - February 4, 2001 - 02:07 UTC
        
        Oh, come on, now. - stormcrow - February 3, 2001 - 03:29 UTC
        
        Adam and evolution? This is something new. - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 04:29 UTC
        
        Re: Adam and evolution? This is something new. - stormcrow - February 3, 2001 - 04:35 UTC
        
        Re: Re: Adam and evolution? This is something new. - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 05:32 UTC
        
        Re: Re: Re: Adam and evolution? This is something new. - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 05:54 UTC
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Adam and evolution? This is something new. - stormcrow - February 3, 2001 - 12:13 UTC
        
        maybe if put this way - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 16:33 UTC
        
        Re: maybe if put this way - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 19:17 UTC
        
        Re: Re: maybe if put this way - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 20:13 UTC
        
        Reading the Holy Bible, I found the following: - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 22:17 UTC
        
        Re: Reading the Holy Bible, I found the following: - gwynj - February 4, 2001 - 01:59 UTC
        
        Lack of knowledge is good? - alexander - February 4, 2001 - 03:29 UTC
        
        Let's start with The Basics, ok? - gwynj - February 4, 2001 - 14:39 UTC
      - you might consider - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 01:34 UTC
        
        Re: you might consider - alexander - February 3, 2001 - 02:52 UTC
        
        Nice Argument - stormcrow - February 3, 2001 - 03:13 UTC
        
        Re: Nice Argument - blnelsonusa - February 5, 2001 - 13:52 UTC
        
        Re: Re: you might consider - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 15:57 UTC
  - Leaps of Faith vs. Hops of Faith, Jumping to Conclusions - stormcrow - February 2, 2001 - 21:58 UTC
- every person is different - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 01:25 UTC
  - Re: every person is different - stormcrow - February 3, 2001 - 03:20 UTC
    - close - gwynj - February 3, 2001 - 15:40 UTC

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