Harv,

It's not the holism so much as it is the primitives. If I am right, then we cannot pursue a fair debate on this issue.

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1) Because it claims God and we are one -- instead of maintaining God is separate from us –- many theologians reject Pantheism.

2) Because it cannot rationally accommodate both the uncertainty principle and causality, numerous scientists reject Pantheism.

3) Enter Panentheism. As a convenient way out of both of these problems, it enhances Pantheism with nonfalsifiability, thereby avoiding any critical exposure to deduction and induction.
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In Panentheism, God has established the rules that govern our universe, but does not have to conform to these rules, as God is greater than the universe. I’m sorry, but this Western Monotheism-meets-Eastern Pantheism approach just seems to be a fancy way of saying, “If we can explain a phenomenon, then it is in perfect harmony with our belief; and if we cannot explain a phenomenon, then it also is in perfect harmony with our belief.”

It’s ‘God works in mysterious ways’ all over again. :(

-LH

• Is that the guy from Wendy's? - harvey1 - September 29, 2001 - 22:02 UTC
  • Yes, but unfortunately his name is too common to stand out - luis_hamburgh - September 30, 2001 - 05:17 UTC
    • More on panentheism - harvey1 - October 1, 2001 - 04:07 UTC
      • Fear of the unknown :o - luis_hamburgh - October 1, 2001 - 23:33 UTC
        • Only thing to fear is fear itself - harvey1 - October 2, 2001 - 03:40 UTC
          • I meant Gnosticism... go back and reread! - luis_hamburgh - October 3, 2001 - 01:35 UTC
            • moving back and forth between two camps - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 03:11 UTC
              • Find another straw man, Alan - luis_hamburgh - October 3, 2001 - 23:14 UTC
              • An Electron is... - harvey1 - October 4, 2001 - 01:41 UTC
                • Gnosticism vs. Agnosticism - luis_hamburgh - October 5, 2001 - 00:06 UTC
                  • Some differences with gnosticism - harvey1 - October 5, 2001 - 03:08 UTC
                    • Correction - harvey1 - October 5, 2001 - 03:18 UTC
                    • Some similarities surface - luis_hamburgh - October 6, 2001 - 02:39 UTC
                      • Look down further - harvey1 - October 8, 2001 - 05:39 UTC
            • re: Falsification - harvey1 - October 3, 2001 - 03:23 UTC
              • Occam's Razor... - luis_hamburgh - October 3, 2001 - 23:16 UTC
                • Doesn't matter - harvey1 - October 4, 2001 - 01:51 UTC
            • The failure of agnosticism - harvey1 - October 8, 2001 - 05:31 UTC
              • Beheaded Chickens - luis_hamburgh - October 9, 2001 - 00:09 UTC
            • I'll stand in the line that says electrons exist - harvey1 - October 9, 2001 - 05:21 UTC
              • "Philosophy in Science vs. Science in Philosophy" - by The Lemon - luis_hamburgh - October 10, 2001 - 23:57 UTC
                • I'll let you have the last word - harvey1 - October 11, 2001 - 01:43 UTC