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Posted by Harvey on October 2, 2001 03:40:46 UTC

Hello Luis,

>>>Luis and Harv agree that there is an unknowable aspect to reality, but... Harv cannot work from the idea that we do not know this unknowable aspect of reality. For some reason Harv has to define it, be it with a nonfalsifiable God, or with metaphysical interpretations of assumptions necessary to logic and empiricism. Luis asserts that he does not have to define the unknowable in order to work from the assumptions we must make about it.>>Panentheism borrows both advantages, and trashes both disadvantages. Perhaps it bases its 'rationale' in logic, but its own framework allows illogic, and so therefore logic is moot. God is, to a Panentheist, more than the universe itself, and therefore not necessarily confined to causality (or QM).>Religious beliefs are by nature nonfalsifiable, but they are also unsolicited; required only by those who cannot cope with agnosticism.

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