Although you've never been one to treat current scientific thought as ontological fact. I'm just raising possibilities, is all.

"one can argue that causality in the universe is a consequence of God (i.e., God as 'truth', God as 'logic', God as 'mathematical order', etc)."

Right, it all depends on what you feel like defining "God" as. Ancient people called the sun God, same thing. My goal is to remove the word "God" from my mental vocabulary without removing the sense of wonder and awe that that term evokes.

"I think the premise that the universe is eternal without there being a 'God' is more problematical than the universe being infinite or finite as a result of God's existence."

Why? The only justification for that that I can see is that God is a more nebulous concept that can fit any hole you feel like putting it into.

"How's life? Are you still pursuing engineering?"

Yeah, but it came to my attention that electrical engineering is the best argument I've ever seen for the existence of Satan. I'm a civil engineer now.

• Nebulous concepts versus materialism - harvey1 - November 3, 2004 - 16:19 UTC
  • More - stormcrow - November 3, 2004 - 21:49 UTC
    • truth as 'intelligence' - harvey1 - November 4, 2004 - 15:44 UTC
      • Okay - stormcrow - November 5, 2004 - 16:52 UTC
        • Truth trees - harvey1 - November 6, 2004 - 16:48 UTC
      • Causeless infinite chain - yanniru - November 5, 2004 - 19:28 UTC
        • infinite chains and what causes them - harvey1 - November 6, 2004 - 17:05 UTC
          • Why is infinite timeline inconsistent with materialism? - yanniru - November 11, 2004 - 13:00 UTC
  • Did Harv just prove that god is math? - yanniru - November 4, 2004 - 13:24 UTC
    • More than math - harvey1 - November 4, 2004 - 17:38 UTC
      • natural evils (at) play - yanniru - November 5, 2004 - 19:49 UTC
        • Orders versus consciousness and intelligence - harvey1 - November 6, 2004 - 17:20 UTC
      • Does this mean math is love??? - beandog - February 2, 2005 - 19:07 UTC