In my opinion, science will never fully coincide with truth, as long as we stubbornly cling to scientific naturalism. That is, everything can be reduced to matter, energy, the physcical laws and chance.

Let me ask you this. If, in all of human experience, there has never been an instance where a complex information system arose through an unguided process, on what logical basis do we exclude intelligence as a source of biological information systems?

"Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearence of having been designed for a purpose." Biologist Richard Dawkins

This is an axiom of the wooden-nickle variety, that defies logic, rather than being a foundation for reasonable inquiry. To me, at least, it is remarkable [if not dismaying] that it has been sustained for so long by so many otherwise intelligent people.

• Hawking on related topics - hmancu - April 4, 2001 - 16:39 UTC
• "Design" arguments unconvincing - johnpowell - April 4, 2001 - 16:52 UTC
  • Its a question of faith - isaiaha41 - April 4, 2001 - 17:43 UTC
    • Faith=no proof, science=proof. - alexander - April 4, 2001 - 18:15 UTC
      • Andrei Linde - bruce - April 5, 2001 - 05:00 UTC
    • Resurrection and Proto-Cells are not equally probable - johnpowell - April 4, 2001 - 22:16 UTC
      • both require faith - isaiaha41 - April 5, 2001 - 17:24 UTC
        • There were no resurrection witnesses. - johnpowell - April 5, 2001 - 18:42 UTC
          • German Soldiers - admin - April 5, 2001 - 19:31 UTC
            • Martyrdom is not a sure sign of truth. - johnpowell - April 5, 2001 - 20:52 UTC
              • Roger That - jhuggins - April 6, 2001 - 00:18 UTC
          • liberal theology - isaiaha41 - April 6, 2001 - 00:38 UTC
            • Oh, boy - old story "It is all in the Bible" again? - alexander - April 6, 2001 - 03:46 UTC
              • Self-fulfilling Prophecy effect - johnpowell - April 6, 2001 - 15:02 UTC
                • Well put - stormcrow - April 7, 2001 - 02:09 UTC
                  • Not with faith, but with will. - alexander - April 8, 2001 - 15:41 UTC
                    • I'm with you on this - stormcrow - April 8, 2001 - 22:04 UTC
            • Religion poor substitute for Reason - johnpowell - April 6, 2001 - 16:15 UTC
              • materialism/naturalism is devoid of reason - isaiaha41 - April 7, 2001 - 13:21 UTC
                • Palestine important because Christians made it that way - johnpowell - April 7, 2001 - 17:14 UTC
                  • You mean like the USSR? - yanniru - April 8, 2001 - 16:56 UTC
                    • USSR is a good example to consider. - johnpowell - April 8, 2001 - 18:12 UTC
                      • Statistics - stormcrow - April 8, 2001 - 20:18 UTC
                        • You're probably right. - johnpowell - April 9, 2001 - 18:45 UTC
                          • The religion of atheism - yanniru - April 10, 2001 - 11:18 UTC
                            • Convert Religious resources into more beneficial ones - johnpowell - April 10, 2001 - 16:32 UTC
                      • Collapse of USSR - alexander - April 9, 2001 - 23:56 UTC
                • Jews were not God's chosen people - johnpowell - April 7, 2001 - 21:28 UTC
                • Mideast as a region - Israel only Western Presence - hmancu - April 8, 2001 - 01:19 UTC
                  • "No oil" in Israel true, but misleading - johnpowell - April 8, 2001 - 17:48 UTC
• Brian, did you study biology and evolution? - alexander - April 4, 2001 - 18:27 UTC
  • ah-ha...the intimidation ploy - isaiaha41 - April 5, 2001 - 17:00 UTC
    • Automobiles and information systems. - johnpowell - April 5, 2001 - 17:53 UTC
    • What is not going to work - lack of knowledge? - alexander - April 5, 2001 - 18:16 UTC
    • Actually education play (the name of the game). - alexander - April 6, 2001 - 23:32 UTC