I agree with all above except for the void willing a material reality, which I believe has always existed. I think we are talking about the same (non)thing, and that terminology is something that must be created, which is one thing you are striving to do. I had a problem with this before and asked for advice on the terminology problem on this forum, I will look it up and reread it, that was during one of the times I experianced something similar to what you described as the Taoist Void, epilepsy, and shattering of the mind when returning to the dualistic reality...
Anyhow, I think this area of discussion holds alot of potential for another step in our search for understanding of reality. I will go tommorow and check out a book on quarks, I am already biased towards it being part of the nothingness which permeates all places because it is an expression which can be percieved/measured, thus it has properties and is a form of matter even though they are intricately related to achive reality (meaning that IF one or the other could exist without the counterpart, the reality of itself would be different than it is now) or be dependent upon eachother. I guess quarks and the nuclear strong force could be a result of the harmony or connection of the relationship of nothingness and matter, which can only be expressed through the properties of matter since nothingness has none, thus giving us an affermation that nothingness exists(not) even though it is expressed through matter`s physical reaction to it (Nothingness).
Thanks, I am enjoying this discussion :)

• RE: RE: RE: Nothingness cannot be measured, even with the label of zero - Infinidi - April 12, 2000 - 01:49 UTC
  • Thus time itself had a beginning - the beginning of time - April 12, 2000 - 12:26 UTC
    • RE: Thus time itself had a beginning - Phil.O.Sofir - April 13, 2000 - 02:17 UTC
      • There is no arguement against the true source of creation - Bluxzter - April 20, 2000 - 04:02 UTC
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  • RE: RE: RE: RE: Nothingness cannot be measured, even with the label of zero - Phi.O.Sofir - April 13, 2000 - 02:05 UTC