"In my experience, the people who are so sure they know God are the people with IQs under 70."

My knowledge of God is from the bible I should have explained this before. My fault. Sorry.

"Aaron, we've been through this. If God can see the future, he knew sin would be introduced. And if he designed us, he designed us with foreknowledge that we would sin. That is, he purposefully, indirectly introduced sin to the world."

More Mumbo Jumbo from the non-understanding crowd. Yes he did know that we were going to sin, but we didn't have to! If God takes away the choice then why should we even have the ability to make choices. God knows the future we don't. The only destiny we have is when God decides to "interfer" with life. other wise it is all up to us.

"I am absolutely awestruck that you don't get how a divine plan and free will are mutually exclusive. If God knows that I will murder someone in 12 years, how can I POSSIBLY avoid that fate? If it's physically impossible for me to NOT murder that person, my will is NOT free. And again, if God designed me, he designed me for the expressed purpose of killing that person."

Nope false aumption your own action killed the other person God created you. What you do with your existance is up to you.

"Assuming an anthropomorphic God. An actual omnipotent being would have no biases against waiting longer. Time would be essentially meaningless to it."

Umm... yeah I tought we were talking wbout the directness of the creation in the sense of the time it takes not how God reacts to that time.

"Companionship? Jeez, some companion. If he exists, he has left humanity completely to its own devices for its entire history. If he really wants companions, why not come down and say hi?"

Millions of people are with him... (though their dead), but durring the time before the first sin God was with Adam and Eve probably all of the time.

• With my last remaining restraint, I'll reply as civilly as I can - stormcrow - July 7, 2002 - 05:31 UTC
  • THAT IS A TOTALLY FATALISTIC WORLDVIEW - ibelieveingod - July 24, 2002 - 06:21 UTC
• Of course, a *real* believer would "capitalize" Bible (cough) - kantolfir2 - July 8, 2002 - 01:18 UTC
  • oh that comment makes you look real intelligent - emperor__alikar - July 10, 2002 - 04:56 UTC
    • I thought you would have a better reply than that - kantolfir2 - July 10, 2002 - 06:59 UTC
• Probably not true about Adam and Eve - richard - July 9, 2002 - 16:31 UTC