Science ALWAYS evicted gods from dark corners - over and over and over. What yesterday was god's business, today was found to be natural. This eviction story repeated itself so many times over, that keeping saying "No gods there too? Hmmm... Ok, I think, god IS in that corner over there... None? Hmmm... Ok, I NOW think that He TRULY is in THAT dark corner over there... None again?. Ok, now I feel that He HAS TO BE FOR SURE in that far away dark corner..." is not logical. What makes it COMPLETELY illogical is the fact that EVERYTHING wi discover (without single exception) turns out to mathematically (=logically) follow from more fundamental phenomena - without ANY need of extra drivers/designers/creators/ or other beings.

It is just a superstition - to see human-like or other beings driving events in universe just because we see humans driving cars or making things.

Universe is NOT a big car, and clouds or stars are NOT carved by some beings out of available raw materials. If you see a human making a spear, or a cow eating a grass this does NOT mean that SOMEBODY have to make a cloud or a star, or that somebody has to eat Moon during lunar eclipse. And indeed, upon close look you only see mathematical processes (evolution of physical system) which follow from initial conditions as symmetries (=conservation laws) prescribe. No human or other beings needed.

Amen.

• Those old-fashioned 'gods' are not the only option - dolphin - November 28, 2001 - 06:41 UTC
• God, philosophy and Science - ymateen - November 28, 2001 - 16:10 UTC
  • Science had already proven nonexistence of god. - alexander - November 28, 2001 - 20:30 UTC
    • Alex: Stephen Hawking found God but didn't recognise Him - dolphin - November 29, 2001 - 06:25 UTC
      • Hawkins and many Nobelists belive in god. They are just wrong. - alexander - November 29, 2001 - 15:11 UTC
        • They also believed in ether(nt) - yanniru - November 29, 2001 - 15:14 UTC
          • There also was this guy who thought... - smartguy - November 29, 2001 - 15:56 UTC
            • fortunately, science does not deal with beliefs, but with facts. - alexander - November 29, 2001 - 22:48 UTC
              • You are the second biggest "arguer from authority" on this list - carefuluniverse - November 30, 2001 - 02:50 UTC
                • I just state the fact(hat schience deals with facts,not belifs) - alexander - November 30, 2001 - 04:06 UTC
                  • Alex: do you believe this to be a fact? - dolphin - December 2, 2001 - 07:23 UTC
                    • Regardless my belief, science deals with FACTS. - alexander - December 3, 2001 - 20:13 UTC
        • Hawking defines God as "Universal Order" - sound familiar? (nt) - luis_hamburgh - November 30, 2001 - 00:42 UTC
          • Just another name of math (logic). - alexander - November 30, 2001 - 18:23 UTC
            • But Hawking recognizes the need for higher dimensions (nt) - luis_hamburgh - December 1, 2001 - 17:11 UTC
    • Alex: the subject is: EXISTENCE IS WHO IS. - dolphin - November 29, 2001 - 06:29 UTC
      • Alan, you said nonsence statements (beings, trios, etc). - alexander - November 29, 2001 - 15:02 UTC
        • I am talking about a certain claim - dolphin - December 2, 2001 - 07:27 UTC
    • It's logically impossible to prove inexistence of God (nt - luis_hamburgh - November 30, 2001 - 00:41 UTC
      • No, vice versa: logically god simply does NOT exist. - alexander - November 30, 2001 - 18:22 UTC
        • You cannot change logic, only your image of stubbornness. - luis_hamburgh - December 7, 2001 - 03:00 UTC