"According to your math theory, the chances of winning the lottery through math is 1 to 62,891,499.

The chances of having a miracle through prayer is 1 to 1."

I see. And what happens if I pray to win the lottery?

What happens if a man stranded in the Acatama desert prays for rain? It rains there about once a century. Maybe prayer only effects events that already have a good chance of happening, eh?

John Powell, an atheist who posted here a little while back, has a devout brother who never bought any health insurance, because since they believed so thoroughly and prayed so earnestly, God would provide for them.

Now he has contracted cancer, and can't get any insurance.

Let's consider another example. A farmer suffering from drought prays for rain, and in a few days it comes. What is more likely? That God manipulated entire weather systems to help this man (and as a result deprived other neighboring regions of rain) or that by the time the man was driven to prayer for his problems, the drought reached its natural end?

• Give me John Powell's life story - highvoltage - July 7, 2001 - 03:39 UTC
  • You'd have to ask him - stormcrow - July 7, 2001 - 13:32 UTC
    • Then don't use his story as evidence - highvoltage - July 7, 2001 - 19:41 UTC
      • Fine, but don't suggest that good men lead charmed lives - stormcrow - July 8, 2001 - 02:09 UTC
        • They don't - highvoltage - July 8, 2001 - 05:29 UTC
          • Thus contrary to Motuos, prayer holds no power. - alexander - July 9, 2001 - 22:06 UTC
    • Oops meant his brother - highvoltage - July 8, 2001 - 01:46 UTC
• Winning the lottery is against the bible. - caprinicus - July 7, 2001 - 04:16 UTC
  • Also, You need a relation ship with GOD, not just gimme, gimme.. - caprinicus - July 7, 2001 - 04:24 UTC
    • Yeah, but the thing is... - stormcrow - July 7, 2001 - 14:07 UTC
      • I know GOD exist's too. - caprinicus - July 8, 2001 - 14:16 UTC
        • Usually uneducated about natural laws become believers. - alexander - July 10, 2001 - 18:14 UTC
          • Not true - highvoltage - July 11, 2001 - 04:49 UTC
            • What is your education in physics - yanniru - July 11, 2001 - 12:10 UTC
            • Statistics - stormcrow - July 11, 2001 - 14:06 UTC
              • Not educated in general, but educated about FUNDAMENTALS. - alexander - July 11, 2001 - 16:50 UTC
                • Einstein = Uneducated? - jazzsax - April 24, 2002 - 02:21 UTC
          • Pshycologist Too - terry - November 15, 2001 - 11:37 UTC
  • I think you're decieving yourself a little - stormcrow - July 7, 2001 - 14:00 UTC
    • You seem to be very closed minded and have your believes set. - caprinicus - July 8, 2001 - 14:20 UTC
      • You remind me of the soldiers who mocked jesus. - caprinicus - July 8, 2001 - 14:25 UTC
        • People use the choice which harms others. - caprinicus - July 8, 2001 - 14:38 UTC
          • Think about what you're saying - highvoltage - July 8, 2001 - 17:49 UTC
            • What century are you believers from? - alexander - July 10, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
              • Quick question - highvoltage - July 11, 2001 - 04:47 UTC
                • I've read some - stormcrow - July 11, 2001 - 14:15 UTC
                • Quick answer to Mike. - alexander - July 11, 2001 - 17:29 UTC
                  • I think, there were TWO human creation stories - stormcrow - July 12, 2001 - 03:20 UTC
        • I don't mock, I question. - stormcrow - July 9, 2001 - 02:12 UTC
      • The whole point is my beliefs are NOT set - stormcrow - July 9, 2001 - 19:14 UTC