Harv,

I normally do not post a comment in reference to a post on another forum but since Jesus condemned Fargo, counterbalance.org has sort of been taken over by the religionists.

From the dumbth post on counterbalance.org: "you wouldn't all be so motivated to stress your perspective if you didn't have some deep, underlying doubts about those very views"

Your reply:
>>>I won't deny this as a possibility (speaking for myself), but I'm more of the opinion that I debate sci-rel issues because I think I'm getting somewhere by doing it. For example, since I started debating these issues I feel that I've made real progress in understanding the general issues that are involved in making good decisions on this topic. My lenience to doctrines and dogma have become substantially reduced, but on the other hand my lenience to mystery and spirituality have greatly increased. Up to this point, I feel I've become a far more complete spiritual individual.>In my opinion, the 'wise' are made foolish by the confidence they place on their intelligence.>The reasons to believe in God are very obvious to those who just look at the universe without over analyzing the way things are.> In short, there are spiritual lessons in allowing one to be overwhelmed by these natural tendencies to our reasoning. To try and shortcircuit those tendencies is not only intellectual vanity but it spiritually cuts one off from their Creator. > the person of higher intelligence is sort of at a disadvantage when it comes to spiritual growth [because he questions and doubts?], but there is also an advantage to be able to understand so much more of the Creation. >Being smart, I think, is both a blessing and a cursing.

• Spiritualist hogwash! - yunus - June 19, 2001 - 18:29 UTC
  • Yeah - bobsal - June 19, 2001 - 20:18 UTC
  • Scientific hogwash! - aurino - June 20, 2001 - 13:15 UTC
    • He! He! He! - yunus - June 20, 2001 - 20:48 UTC
      • Right back at you!! - doctordick - June 21, 2001 - 15:03 UTC
        • What are the rules for spirituality? - stormcrow - June 21, 2001 - 18:51 UTC
          • Here is one. - yanniru - June 22, 2001 - 12:01 UTC
            • But that is just YOUR rule - stormcrow - June 23, 2001 - 00:25 UTC
              • Not my rule - yanniru - June 23, 2001 - 18:17 UTC
                • Does every theist agree with you? - stormcrow - June 23, 2001 - 22:04 UTC
              • Science has been wrong - highvoltage - June 25, 2001 - 17:27 UTC
                • Of course - stormcrow - June 27, 2001 - 00:12 UTC
                  • But according to the bible... - highvoltage - June 27, 2001 - 06:12 UTC
                    • Yeah, but - stormcrow - June 27, 2001 - 14:08 UTC
                      • Not all of it is symbolic - highvoltage - June 27, 2001 - 19:15 UTC
                        • I'm not talking about the aphorisms, I'm talking about the story - stormcrow - June 27, 2001 - 19:37 UTC
                          • Knowledge IS found in the bible - highvoltage - June 28, 2001 - 21:12 UTC
                            • Fundamentally, the Bible is a Rorshach Test - stormcrow - June 29, 2001 - 03:48 UTC
                              • you are missing my point - highvoltage - June 29, 2001 - 15:23 UTC
                                • Maybe, but there is the theory of religion and the practice - stormcrow - June 29, 2001 - 23:55 UTC