Alex, I gather from this string that you are saying that math has a transcendant quality.

But is it a product of the universe, or does it transcend space and time?

If it is a product of the universe, it could not have created the universe, and you need to find another god.

If it pre-exists and was the causitive agent of the universe, how do you account for its existence, prior to creation?

Or does this reductionist line of reasoning simply stop there because its passengers dare go no further?

Brian

• it is nonsense to ask about math existence. - alexander - May 7, 2001 - 16:13 UTC
• clarification - harvey1 - May 7, 2001 - 16:30 UTC
  • But don't you still need someone to "do the math"? (nt) - paulm - May 7, 2001 - 18:08 UTC
  • no - harvey1 - May 7, 2001 - 19:04 UTC
    • I think you do. - paulm - May 7, 2001 - 23:36 UTC
      • Very common mistake. - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 00:22 UTC
        • Let's define 'rules' - paulm - May 8, 2001 - 00:48 UTC
          • Right in the axioms. - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 03:25 UTC
            • Those axioms are insufficient - paulm - May 8, 2001 - 18:44 UTC
              • Sorry, but all math and geometries are based on the same axiom - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 22:43 UTC
                • You are repeating yourself - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 05:16 UTC
          • Difficult to define rules - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 23:01 UTC
            • Hoyle has done it - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 00:02 UTC
      • More clarification - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 22:35 UTC
        • Oops! Sp correction - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 22:41 UTC
        • More yet - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 06:30 UTC
        • re: more yet - harvey1 - May 9, 2001 - 17:47 UTC
          • I may be confused by 'instantiates' - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 21:13 UTC
            • A trip down an endless road - harvey1 - May 11, 2001 - 00:03 UTC
  • other parallels? - isaiaha41 - May 8, 2001 - 11:36 UTC
    • re: Truth - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 23:29 UTC