I was referring to your view of 'math' as having theistic connotations. Nothing about bible.

Here's those definitions you asked for:

mathematical order: ontological rules that govern

immaterial: not representable as quantum fields or spacetime events.

material: representable as quantum fields or spacetime events.

'spooky' order: any rules that are immaterial or irreduceable to material things.

God: immaterial order to the universe ('spooky' order)

theism: a belief that immaterial order is responsible for the universe.

strong reductionism thesis: there a bridge law between a higher concept (e.g., laws of physics) and a more primitive concept (e.g., symmetries of math)

real: irreduceable to a more primitive concepts

epiphenomena: phenomena that is not real but is reduceable to something more primitive

influencing in a non-physical science manner: any 'spooky' order influence in the universe that is not reduceable to the forces of physics.

Warm regards,

• So, u may see that there is nothing non-mathematical in universe - alexander - May 5, 2001 - 00:36 UTC
  • I see your game - harvey1 - May 5, 2001 - 14:10 UTC
  • your missing something - isaiaha41 - May 7, 2001 - 11:29 UTC
    • it is nonsense to ask about math existence. - alexander - May 7, 2001 - 16:13 UTC
    • clarification - harvey1 - May 7, 2001 - 16:30 UTC
      • But don't you still need someone to "do the math"? (nt) - paulm - May 7, 2001 - 18:08 UTC
      • no - harvey1 - May 7, 2001 - 19:04 UTC
        • I think you do. - paulm - May 7, 2001 - 23:36 UTC
          • Very common mistake. - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 00:22 UTC
            • Let's define 'rules' - paulm - May 8, 2001 - 00:48 UTC
              • Right in the axioms. - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 03:25 UTC
                • Those axioms are insufficient - paulm - May 8, 2001 - 18:44 UTC
                  • Sorry, but all math and geometries are based on the same axiom - alexander - May 8, 2001 - 22:43 UTC
                    • You are repeating yourself - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 05:16 UTC
              • Difficult to define rules - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 23:01 UTC
                • Hoyle has done it - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 00:02 UTC
          • More clarification - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 22:35 UTC
            • Oops! Sp correction - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 22:41 UTC
            • More yet - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 06:30 UTC
            • re: more yet - harvey1 - May 9, 2001 - 17:47 UTC
              • I may be confused by 'instantiates' - paulm - May 9, 2001 - 21:13 UTC
                • A trip down an endless road - harvey1 - May 11, 2001 - 00:03 UTC
      • other parallels? - isaiaha41 - May 8, 2001 - 11:36 UTC
        • re: Truth - harvey1 - May 8, 2001 - 23:29 UTC