I've mentioned the site

http://atheists.org/church/ozjesus.html

a number of times the last month when claims about Jesus have surfaced. His essay helped me to realize that I was not obligated to even accept the historicity of Jesus, let alone the supposed miracles.

I've heard a little bit of support from the theist apologists for the existence of Jesus and Nazareth, but not as much as I hoped. One even claimed the ability to refute all atheist arguments, but wouldn't produce. No one has seemed to want to really take Zindler to task. I was hoping for one of two results:

--Someone can come up with some really good criticisms of Zindler's conclusions.

--No one can come up with any good criticisms to discredit Zindler.

I'm not sure yet, which it is.

Are there any theist-apologists out there able and willing to give it a try?

If any of the atheist-apologists want to support or criticize Zindler, please do.

If Jesus didn't exist, this is incredibly important, I think, in the God-Science debate. If hundreds of millions or billions of believers in Jesus could believe so greatly in a fabrication, how much can we trust what any religion tells us about God or anything else?

• Same for science - yanniru - April 10, 2001 - 20:00 UTC
  • Yunus - yunus - April 10, 2001 - 20:30 UTC
    • Well we did - yanniru - April 11, 2001 - 00:17 UTC
      • Scientists will answer their own questions. - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 16:34 UTC
    • We can not go faster than light. - alexander - April 11, 2001 - 17:35 UTC
  • Science evolves, that's the whole point - stormcrow - April 10, 2001 - 20:52 UTC
    • My religion is far from stagnant - yanniru - April 11, 2001 - 00:16 UTC
      • Evolution of God? - alexander - April 11, 2001 - 16:21 UTC
        • The bibledoes suggest that god evolves - yanniru - April 12, 2001 - 03:45 UTC
          • God is a committee? - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 22:40 UTC
      • "Un" organized religion is still superstition - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 16:32 UTC
  • Richard, you misunderstand relativity. - alexander - April 11, 2001 - 16:18 UTC
    • Photons are not matter - yanniru - April 12, 2001 - 03:40 UTC
  • What was superluminal? - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 16:19 UTC
    • superluminal ? - yanniru - April 12, 2001 - 03:34 UTC
• I'll give a try to find Jesus. - admin - April 10, 2001 - 20:05 UTC
  • Thank you - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 16:37 UTC
• trying not to find Jesus - isaiaha41 - April 11, 2001 - 13:44 UTC
  • Because He was a myth. - alexander - April 11, 2001 - 16:52 UTC
    • The Holocaust - yanniru - April 12, 2001 - 11:53 UTC
  • Early martyrs no proof of historicity of Jesus - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 17:05 UTC
  • Seamlessly? I don't think so. - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 17:31 UTC
• If Jesus didn't exist... - aurino - April 11, 2001 - 14:27 UTC
  • 99.9% of people are not educated about nature. - alexander - April 11, 2001 - 16:33 UTC
    • And the remaining 0.1% understand less than 1& of the universe - yanniru - April 12, 2001 - 11:49 UTC
  • The nonhistoricity of Jesus not necessary for atheism - johnpowell - April 11, 2001 - 18:03 UTC
    • You make it seem like it is - aurino - April 11, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
      • Who am I trying to convince? Myself first. - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 18:35 UTC
      • Who am I trying to convince? Thoughtful others - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 18:39 UTC
      • The Golden Rule. - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 19:13 UTC
      • Why attack the historicity of Jesus? - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 19:38 UTC
      • The old battle between a- and theism. - johnpowell - April 12, 2001 - 19:51 UTC
• Reply to the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth - harvey2 - April 12, 2001 - 21:43 UTC
  • Theists Sometimes Unwittingly Defend Atheism - johnpowell - April 16, 2001 - 11:00 UTC
• Reply to the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth - harvey2 - April 12, 2001 - 21:43 UTC