i find what you propose fascinating anyway.

"What that gives is that the so-called uncertainty principle is a feature of our way of thinking, not of reality. Any number we can possibly put forward as the solution to a mathematical problem contains an amount of uncertainty in itself. For instance, the number 3.14 means "everything from 3.140000.... to 3.149999..." The number 3.1415926548 means "everything from 3.14159265480000.... to 3.14159265489999....". All proposed solutions to mathematical problems are neccesarily uncertain, for the simple fact that we have to stop at some point."

what you have said here shows only examples that support what you state about uncertainty. but there are many examples of certain outcomes in mathematics. for example 1+1=2 not 1.9 or 1.99 or 1.999 ect but 2.
so not all proposed solutions to mathematical problems are neccesarily uncertain.
but anyway i like what you say "What that gives is that the so-called uncertainty principle is a feature of our way of thinking" notice i left out the part where you say "not of reality".
i could be a smart alec and say that isn't our way of thinking a part of reality but i wont, heh, heh. but this idea that the uncertainty principle is a feature of our way of thinking
has crossed my mind often. i can't truly come to terms with how this is significant or what i want to say but i can say that it brings to mind how the significance of the observer has become a question that scientists have been alluding to in many treatise of science but never fully expand upon. its a kind of common thread one finds when reading science papers that leads one to wonder about how human nature is bound up with the nature of the universe so to speak.
i know i'm not saying this well but it is thoughts such as these that i think lend support to certain religious ideas such as faith can move mountains and ideas such as taking moral positions that are wise (ie. tend toward life) gives one a physical advantage in universe.
sorry i know i'm rambling.
regards, tim

• I think I agree but - michaelev - September 14, 2003 - 15:59 UTC
  • My Two-cents Worth - pmartin - September 14, 2003 - 17:48 UTC
    • Another $0.02. Maybe less... - michaelev - September 15, 2003 - 13:45 UTC
      • Chuckle - harvey1 - September 15, 2003 - 17:13 UTC
        • chortle - sagefr0g - September 15, 2003 - 17:31 UTC
          • ...about abstract things - harvey1 - September 15, 2003 - 17:42 UTC
            • ok - sagefr0g - September 15, 2003 - 18:39 UTC
              • okay - harvey1 - September 15, 2003 - 18:52 UTC
                • Not Okay - pmartin - September 16, 2003 - 04:28 UTC
                  • Correction - pmartin - September 16, 2003 - 04:33 UTC
                  • So... - harvey1 - September 16, 2003 - 12:56 UTC
                • in the sense of - sagefr0g - September 16, 2003 - 14:22 UTC
                  • then... - harvey1 - September 16, 2003 - 17:15 UTC
                    • actually - sagefr0g - September 17, 2003 - 03:15 UTC
                    • the reason i say - sagefr0g - September 17, 2003 - 04:14 UTC
                      • I'm melting.... I'm melting.... - harvey1 - September 17, 2003 - 15:57 UTC
                        • apparent contradictions - sagefr0g - September 18, 2003 - 01:34 UTC
                          • The reason for new observables - harvey1 - September 18, 2003 - 14:45 UTC
                            • Martin Bojowald- maybe the new Witten - yanniru - September 18, 2003 - 19:30 UTC
                              • Can't find the references - harvey1 - September 18, 2003 - 21:42 UTC
                                • Copied from the big bang forum - yanniru - September 19, 2003 - 00:33 UTC
                                  • hmm... - harvey1 - September 23, 2003 - 15:02 UTC
                                    • I think Bruce has it right - yanniru - September 23, 2003 - 16:45 UTC
                                      • Bet? - harvey1 - September 23, 2003 - 18:03 UTC
                            • i'm unable to communicate with Noether - sagefr0g - September 19, 2003 - 01:48 UTC
                              • Something new? Nah... - harvey1 - September 22, 2003 - 00:45 UTC
                                • nah, nah, na nah, nah - sagefr0g - September 24, 2003 - 03:46 UTC
        • Bringing Up The Past - pmartin - September 16, 2003 - 04:12 UTC
          • And moving toward the future - harvey1 - September 16, 2003 - 15:14 UTC
            • a couple more centuries and you'll be caught up ;) - quiet - September 17, 2003 - 06:38 UTC
  • agree with what? - sagefr0g - September 15, 2003 - 17:23 UTC