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Posted by Paul R. Martin on July 13, 2003 20:05:29 UTC

Hi Mark,

It's simply "deeper principle or spirit"s all the way down (or is it up?). That's a lot more sophisticated than "turtles".

My guess, though, is that "God always was, always is, and will always be" but She hasn't always been, nor will She always remain, the same. I know, I know, every philosopher and theologian would disagree with me that God is changeable. But I think the evidence clearly contradicts the immutability of God -- just as it clearly contradicts the perfection, infinity, omni-whatever, &c which have traditionally been attributed to God.

You're right about the unfathomable mystery of the exact starting point, but I think we can get past that by starting our thinking about it at some point where God existed. We don't need to know how She got there. In my view, if you go back far enough, you will find that God was super simple at some point and has evolved since then to the complexity we have "now". And there is no reason to suppose that the universe won't continue to increase in complexity.

As I just cautioned Mike, you have to be careful about "time zones" here. All of my references to time were meant to refer to what I call Cosmic Time, and not at all what we mark with clocks and calendars as humans.

Warm regards,

Paul

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