" When I abandoned Christianity in my late teen years, my (religious) parents tried to convince me that a belief in God transcended rational logic -- they viewed it as something that couldn't be exactly spoken of in those terms, much like Aurino's Chesterton did "

Just for the record, neither Aurino nor (as far as I can tell) Chesterton see a belief in God as something which offends logic. Quite the contrary in fact.

What both Aurino and (as far as I can tell) Chesterton understand is that people who talk too much about logic usually have too little of it, as in:

" the only thing that prevents me from being either an atheist or secular humanist is my inability to accept that 'something' came from absolute nothingness "

Your dilemma is just silly, as there are only two possibilities. Either 'something' did come from nothing, in which case you just confessed your inability to accept a fact - the very sin you charge "irrational people" with; or 'something' always existed, in which case "the only thing that prevents you from being either an atheist or secular humanist" is a fantasy you made up in your head.

Heads we win, tails you lose...

Have fun,

Aurino

• Who said that? - lysithea - July 3, 2003 - 15:42 UTC
  • About that matter - yanniru - July 3, 2003 - 17:06 UTC
    • Religions use science for justicification purposes... - smartguy - July 3, 2003 - 17:40 UTC
      • How about this for the 'oldtimers' - harvey1 - July 3, 2003 - 18:32 UTC
      • 1,500 years from now... - aurino_ - July 3, 2003 - 19:46 UTC
        • I can be more pessimistic - harvey1 - July 3, 2003 - 20:26 UTC
          • I'm not pessimistic at all - aurino_ - July 3, 2003 - 20:51 UTC
    • Dude, it's very small, but it still does matter. - lysithea - July 3, 2003 - 21:37 UTC
      • Matter, energy... same thing... - smartguy - July 3, 2003 - 21:52 UTC
        • But you can't have matter without energy. - lysithea - July 3, 2003 - 22:11 UTC