Date: 11 Jul 2000 02:00:42 PDT
To: Dr John H Stoll ASKSTOLL@compuserve.com,
Subject: Revised but not proof read: For your comments on some new questions.
Revised but not proof read: For your comments on some new questions.
My Dear Dr. Stoll,
On behalf of our team I thank you for your kind and most honest response to our questions.
Would you please, by your generous consideration, continue with our team in helping us to locate the Messiah, Jesus. For the purpose of our research is in locating our Messiah, who, we say, was sent to the people of Israel. We do not wish to hold any presuppositions of his where-a bouts or how-a bouts. We are motivated by the Messiah Jesus' own statement in, describing, that he shall play hide and seek: (John- 13:33 ; 16:16 ;) as related to: ( Matthew 7:8; 12:40; 12:39; 16:4; (Luke 11:10;) as related to (Luke 11:30) as related to (John 4:23; 7:18; 8:50;) as related to (Romans 11:7 [in that the Jews succeeded in convicting Jesus by voting; thus Jesus was elected to be Crucified. Would you agree that Jesus was not convicted, of any crime by way of any, substantiated, evidence but by the lack thereof ? as related to: (Matthew 26:60;) as related to (John 18:23 )] as related to: (John 10:34-39). Here we find Jesus defends himself against the charge of blasphemy; he shows his unwillingness to be captured by the mob; he has exposed the lies set against him [in that he was mislabeled as "The God" and not "a god" as he is telling every one] while he escapes
capture.) as related to: (Hosea 2:23; 6:6)as related to (Matthew 9:13) as related example in (James 2:13; 3:17).
Because of current world events, and by the observance of certain signs, our group associates have posed some new questions. We are concerned (but not troubled); for we all seek for existing facts, from our Bible, so that we may propagate "Gods' Universal Truth" which lye in Gods' original 'Covenant Of The Rainbow' which was reestablished and confirmed, with our prophet, Noah and all the prophets in his progeny.
Questions & Comments:
In whom is the promise made?
a) The Jews say: "in Isaac."
b) The Ishmaelite say: "in Ishmael."
David, whose son was he? and of what lineage? Of Isaac? Was Isaac father of Jacob? And was Jacob father of Judah? Of the lineage of Judah is David?
And the "The Messiah" when he came, of what lineage was he?
a) Of David?
b) Of Ishmael?
Now when David [in relation to: (Psalm 110:1) & (Acts 2:34)], in spirit, calls him "The Messiah" Lord, saying: "God said to my lord" sit thou on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool. God shall send forth thy rod which shall have lordship in the midst of thine enemies."
**If the messenger of God whom is called "The Messiah" is the son of David, how should David call him lord?
** This question has, at the moment, amongst other questions, persuaded us to look at the possibility that the promise may have been made in Ishmael, not in Isaac. However I, and others of our associate members, find ourselves driven, by the will of God, and by the 'enjoining' passages in our Bibles, such as, Gods' will as described, in: (Deuteronomy 4: 27-32) to find in the scriptures what God has always promised as God willed, from the Beginning, to have no favorites amongst his servants and their progeny except by the way or their conduct, in each of their lives, as it has been the law made manifest, in the 'perfect' justice of God, which dose not change, by way of experience, in that God is perfect and is exulted above
all things, with an above-ness, that may not be limited by measure or boundaries.
Although we find, written in the book of Moses, that in Isaac the promise was made, we are persuaded to believe that Moses Did not write it neither did Joshua write it but rather our Rabbin who do not fear God. If we are to consider the words of the angel Gabriel, we shall discover the malice of our scribes and doctors. (Isaiah 63:15-17) as related to: (Deuteronomy 21: 15-17) here our scribes deeds are exposed (Ezekiel 3:26-2 "...rebellious house….") & (Malachi 3:6)
We are persuaded to understand that the message in (Matthew 24: 14) in relation to (John 17:21) may only be fulfilled in "ALL" of Abrahams' progeny, with out discrimination, each in accordance to their conduct (Luke 10:25, 28, 37) or in their observance of the laws (including selflessness in showing their unimpeded generosity, toward others, with out undue sacrifice.
Some of our associates have asked: For what cause have some annulled the precept of God to observe your traditions? as related to:(Mark 2:26) Because there are many who say, to the progenies of many poor fathers: 'offer and make vows unto the temple' (2 Chronicles 31:6) (which, in some cases, is the Church body). And they make vows
of what little, wherewith, they ought to reserve, in support, for their fathers. And when their fathers need, or wish to take money, his progenies exclaim that this money is consecrated to God"; whereby their fathers suffer. We find falsehood in some scribes sayings as in (Proverbs 20:25) & (Job 22:27). Therefore, by our reasoning, and in observing the hypocrisy, of those who follow the traditions of their fathers we are prompted to ask if God uses this money. We, by way of the knowledge in our scriptures, reason that God dose not need this money. God dose not eat as God said by David our prophet: in relation to (Psalm 50:7-14) & (Ecclesiastes 6:2).
We are persuaded to conclude, at this time, that one is to render, unto God, the sacrifice of praise (1st. Chronicles 16:4), and offer ones' vows. We are told that, should God be hungry, God will not ask of one for anything. All things are in Gods' hands, and the abundance of paradise is with God. All the world will come to understand how God loves "All of Mankind", but how shall "All of Mankind" come to understand the love that Abraham bore (& still bears) to God? For this question It is necessary that One ought to do something for the love of God as did Abraham, the servant of God. He made himself ready to do all that which God shall will." We understand our Gods' commands while we read his Laws. Yet, we see written, as written by some scribes of old, that the actions of Abraham - that is to say: The scribes' version of Abraham - is contrary to Gods' Laws; in that, Abraham, as he was being tested by God, is said to have taken his only son, Isaac, (not Ishmael his first born) as a sacrifice. (Genesis 15,4 "And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth 'out of thine own bowels' shall be thine heir."). Therefore we, Knowing that Isaac was a gift of God unto Abraham for having proven his faith by way of Ishmael, say that: 'Abraham, as he was being tested by God, is said to have taken his only son, his Only Son Ishmael (for at that time he was the only Son), and come up the mountain to sacrifice him. How is Isaac 'firstborn' if, when Isaac was born, Ishmael** (Abrahams' Son included in passages and between: Genesis 16: 15; 25: 9) **was seven years old?'
How is Isaac 'firstborn' if, when Isaac was born, Ishmael was seven years old?
Clearly, a learned 'Doctor of Divinity' will declare, there is deception of our doctors: Therefore the learned Doctor of Divinity will tell the others of his findings, in truth, because we know by now that, in truth Jesus (the Messiah to the Jews and the gentiles) was sent from God to prepare the way for 'The Comforter' who we are told to look for as one being not learned. as in relation to: (Isaiah 29: 11-12) Jesus also tells us that 'The Comforter' (World Messiah) will not come professing to be 'The Christ' and or by way of miracles. Jesus further tells us that 'The Comforter' (as the Son of Man) shall come to confirm that which he has been said as it should have been recorder and as it should have been witnessed. (John 14:16; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7 ~ the Comforter here is a real living Spirit (The Holy Ghost) which Jesus tells us will be sent - AS ONE PHYSICAL PERSON - to testify - in and of - Jesus' name. ) This is the true mercy of God who needs no sacrifice, but desires to show mercy once more and as a last and lasting testament to be spread to the last inhabitants of this world before the final resurrection and judgment; as it is written:
(Matthew 12: 39 - 41)  "…..An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.)
We are , for the moment, persuaded, by certain factual evidence, which we found in the passages of our Bibles, that: As Jonas remained alive in the whale's belly so it was with Jesus. Thus another prophesy was fulfilled as related to: ((([John 19:35-37] as related to Zechariah 12: 9-10:  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me (altered by our Rabbin from 'HIM' to "ME") whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him** ((For our Rabbin forget are exposed by their own hands, and in their own folly, in forgetting to exchange the pronoun in this section where our Rabbin leave it as - 'him' - as it should be in the pronoun 'him'; saying: "…..look on 'him' " and not saying : 'look upon "Me".'For how, we say, is the person who speaks of himself as "Me", should in the same sentence, refer to himself as "HIM")), **as one mourneth for his only son,…))) Another prophesy is seen to have served a purpose; as it is related to : ((( John 19:36 "…For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken…" ))) In that his bones were not broken we saw a purpose served in that the saving of the bones (as a mercy of God) had meaning only to the living and not to the dead (the two of whom were killed by the breaking of their bones))) We are, for the moment, prompted, to propose that Jesus did not died to be resurrected as a 'gardener' but as a sign that God heard the prayers of Jesus while Jesus begged three times for mercy (Matthew 26:39 "…Let
this cup pass from me…." For God, when he hears a sincere prayer, gives not stone to those who pray for bread), At this point we also Observe that God sent his human Lamb 'Judas Iscariot' to the slaughter (symbolic of the lamb of the time of the trial of Abraham) for Jesus is there at the tomb disguised as a gardener to resurrect his body after it had been taken down and retrieved in a hurry. We Know this to be self evident as 'Judas Iscariot' while on the cross identifies himself (as the lamb) an for who he really is by eliminating for us any possibility of a mistake in that he identifies the witnesses at the cross as "Mary the Mother of Jesus and Jesus as the Son of Mary" as related to: (John 19:26 "…… he (Judas Iscariot) saith unto his (Jesus') mother, Woman, behold thy son!") and further more Judas Iscariot - not Jesus - as we suggest by our reasoning - states - as related to : (((Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 "….My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"))) For if Jesus is the same as "The only God", as is suggested by the deception of some of our Doctors, how shall he call upon God? Or if God willed to destroy the real Jesus - who some of our unwillingly deceived Doctors say is God - then how shall a destroyed God save God? It serves a purpose for Judas to have been Crucified as the Human Lamb of god than for God to be Crucified for the sin of Man who can obtain mercy which he did in the mercy which God is showing us in the resurrection or the resuscitation of Judas Iscariot. That by the setting of examples (in the law) we may be saved. For the Ultimate sin is the individuals desire to harm or undo what God has made
as did Satan ever promise as related to: ( [Matthew 23:23 "…..Pharisees…..have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:……"} & [Zechariah 3:1 "……and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him."] & [Exodus 7:15 "……. and the rod which was turned to a serpent shalt thou take in thine hand." (as in lifting up) as such it is more reasonable for this interpretation to be more related to the saying of Jesus - which he said - as related to: (John 3: 14 "….And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up") and we are persuaded to consider, at this moment, that this, saying, means Judas Iscariot and Jesus were lifted up by miracle and in wonder and in disguise (as hidden from the eyes in that Judas Iscariot was made to look like Jesus and that Jesus was made to look like a Gardener) thus relating to the saying in : (John 16:16 & Luke 8:10 & Luke 24:31 "…. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight." We compelled to ask, of our learned doctors, were the disciples of Jesus blind? and how did Jesus Vanish except in the same manner of the miracle and the wonder as Jesus Mentioned in the lifting up of the Son of Man? We are compelled to associate this parable to the rod of Moses which was turned to a serpent. Even so was Jesus the Son of man lifted up in the same manner of the miracle and the wonder as Jesus Mentioned of the serpent (rod) of Moses for God spoke of a real serpent and not one made by the me of Moses. (here Jesus may be said to be more the Son of Mary (Wo-Man) because Jesus was seared (begotten) by Mary his mother and not By God).
We are also told in our scriptures - the Bible - that Satan, for ever, seeks to annual the laws of God; and therefore Satan with his followers, hypocrites and evil-doers, the first with false doctrine, the second with lewd living, to-date, have contaminated almost all things, so that with difficulty is the truth found. We should, however, be comforted to know that praises in our world, knowingly and by their own free will, preached and are preaching false doctrine by way of which the allow lewd living shall turn for them into insults and torments in hell.
What is your opinion? in consideration of a fact that (( Nehemiah 9:6-8. [8: And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous])) Ishmaelite were not included in the name of those which the land was taken from to be given to "All" the seed of Abraham ((and in particular as related to: ((Genesis 15:4...."of thine own bowels......" & Genesis 25:22-31 "And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright")) as related to: ((Psalm 105:6 ".....O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.[We have found that Esau & Jacob, of their won free will, traded between them. We could not locate a passage where God, at that time, Chose Jacob])).
One fact may be that, the selling of Birthrights must have been an option for the brothers involved, in trading for their inheritance, as some believe, "The Covenant" may have been sold. We are prompted to look for a passage where Ishmael may have done the same. We have not found a transaction between Ishmael and Isaac. [we can not, at this moment subscribe that any title to the one "Universal Covenant is for sale or for transfer by the will of any man as part of an inheritance and further we also, at this time are persuaded, by reason, to understand that "The Covenant is gift from God to all of mankind (the rainbow) who chose to accept it for what it is by keep the laws because they are faithful to the promise which, we believe, must be the gift of life itself . (Psalm 105:45 "That they might observe his statutes,
and "keep his laws.")
We have many additional inquiries. We should like to hear your opinions on them. Once we have complied enough facts, that we can submit for your review, we wish to ask of your interest in becoming involved in our search for our historical "Jewish Messiah" which to us is, in his majesty Jesus, 'The King of Kings' and a
prophet who Served God in order to lead his brethren in their mortal lives. as related to: (Revelation 19: 10 "....I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of 'prophecy'.)
Most Respectfully yours!!!
K9-Bible Detectives & Associates