My dear Harvey,
Greetings. Would you please elaborate on rational thought and irrational thought in order for me to formulate a good reply? To what are you attaching rationality? Belief or disbelief in the logic which is seen in the narrowing down of the logical conclusion in the only three possible ways that matter could have come in to existence?

With Much respect,
Jisbond

• There is a 4th way - yanniru - November 8, 2001 - 15:16 UTC
  • Rational? - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 16:37 UTC
    • Very rational. Math (logic) does not prohibit that. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 16:57 UTC
      • Your view is not clear - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 17:50 UTC
        • Everything existing obeys math. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 18:24 UTC
          • Typical and disappointing - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 18:48 UTC
          • Does this mean that you have no answer? - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 19:54 UTC
          • Okay... once again (yawn) - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 20:07 UTC
            • Origin of logic and thus math. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 20:30 UTC
              • It's good to see you become more 'warm' - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 20:57 UTC
                • Harvey, play a child game to understand. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 21:32 UTC
                  • set theory - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 21:51 UTC
                    • No, I do not mean any set or any theory at all. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 22:03 UTC
                      • Alex - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 22:18 UTC
                        • Incorrect, null (zero) is more basic than a null set. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 22:51 UTC
                      • Null? - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 23:40 UTC
                        • Existence of ANYTHING. - alexander - November 9, 2001 - 00:03 UTC
                      • Oh boy... - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 00:41 UTC
                        • Logic (math) works better for me than belief. - alexander - November 9, 2001 - 00:55 UTC
                      • More LF - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 03:24 UTC
          • Alex: a new way of solving questions - dolphin - November 9, 2001 - 10:04 UTC
    • Rational universe is of lower probability - yanniru - November 9, 2001 - 14:34 UTC
      • Eh? - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
        • How do you distinquish real from imaginary - yanniru - November 10, 2001 - 14:23 UTC
          • Good question - harvey1 - November 11, 2001 - 17:00 UTC
            • You just changed the definition - yanniru - November 11, 2001 - 20:36 UTC
          • Not exactly - harvey1 - November 12, 2001 - 00:21 UTC
            • Clarification - harvey1 - November 12, 2001 - 17:25 UTC
              • No cause beginning? - yanniru - November 13, 2001 - 15:40 UTC
                • I need your clarification - harvey1 - November 14, 2001 - 04:55 UTC
                  • irrational component - yanniru - November 14, 2001 - 14:38 UTC
                • Where did you get this interpretation? - harvey1 - November 14, 2001 - 16:36 UTC
                  • Essay seems to agree with my understanding - yanniru - November 16, 2001 - 16:02 UTC
                • Does it, though? - harvey1 - November 16, 2001 - 17:37 UTC
  • eternal substance? - jisbond - November 10, 2001 - 02:57 UTC
• Theism is Rational - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 16:21 UTC
  • Harvey, you had put things upside down here. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 17:03 UTC
    • Causation is not directly observable - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 17:41 UTC
      • Casual link between god(s) and universe? Really? - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 18:30 UTC
        • The causal link - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
          • No undefined order is nesessary. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 19:51 UTC
            • Easy question - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 20:01 UTC
            • Because to say that A=B, you are implying that... - smartguy - November 8, 2001 - 20:06 UTC
            • Because to say that A=B, you are implying that... - smartguy - November 8, 2001 - 20:07 UTC
              • So, where does symmetry come from then? - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 20:24 UTC
        • Alex, perhaps a little elaboration on your behalf is in order... - smartguy - November 8, 2001 - 19:57 UTC
          • Origin of logic. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 20:09 UTC
            • Fine, just tell us what you are labelling - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 20:16 UTC
              • Harwey, I just said that EXISTENCE is not necessary. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 20:27 UTC
                • What are you talking about? - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 20:42 UTC
                  • Non existencre of ANYTHING. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 21:18 UTC
                    • more to be understood by you - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 22:10 UTC
                      • If there is nothing, then there are no sets yet. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 22:25 UTC
                        • Oh please - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 22:29 UTC
                          • Harvey, why should I give up what works (science)? - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 23:05 UTC
                        • Your idea is not science - just poor metaphysics - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 23:48 UTC
                          • Harvey, some of my students make same mistake. - alexander - November 9, 2001 - 00:26 UTC
                        • Oh brother, you don't even know what metaphysics is - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 00:34 UTC
                          • Anything to say about "Being(s)"? :-) - alexander - November 9, 2001 - 00:59 UTC
                        • Sure, but P=propaganda in the future - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 02:55 UTC
                  • What Zero means - quiet - January 14, 2002 - 01:28 UTC
            • You fail once again... - smartguy - November 8, 2001 - 20:29 UTC
              • Oh, boy (logic is mystery? why do you use it then?) - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 20:36 UTC
                • Alex, what is the meaning of a word that hasn't been defined? - smartguy - November 8, 2001 - 21:01 UTC
                  • Lets explain it to you in a different way. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 23:28 UTC
                    • Oxymoron statement - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 00:26 UTC
                      • Good. Now you see it more clear :-) - alexander - November 9, 2001 - 00:46 UTC
                        • >>>Do you have more questions about power of math? - smartguy - November 9, 2001 - 05:26 UTC
                        • Alex: you can not use 1 without implying 3 - dolphin - November 9, 2001 - 07:59 UTC
                        • Nothing to compare with before "anything" exists... - smartguy - November 9, 2001 - 16:43 UTC
                    • But you don't - harvey1 - November 9, 2001 - 03:45 UTC
                • Define 0? - harvey1 - November 8, 2001 - 21:02 UTC
  • Harvey, you had put things upside down here. - alexander - November 8, 2001 - 17:36 UTC