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No Time/life Is Not Ultimate Purpose

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Posted by Phil.o.sofir on October 7, 1999 23:27:51 UTC

: Phil.o.sofir: : ***Time, the essence of measurment by man, is in fact meaningless except as a convenient tool for squeezing logic out of our surrondings, just like mathematics. Its a good thing for us, but should be seen as a useful idea and not reality.

: Greg: : Experiments done with three syncronized atomic clocks, one at rest on the ground, one flying east, and one flying west, show nano-second gains and losses in time which are in accord with Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity WithiN an approved of margin of error. This means that the caesium-133 atoms in these clocks were giving off different vibrations of microwave radiation during specified atomic rearrangements. This demonstrates that Time is indeed a dimension in and of itself, an objective reality that is far from meaningless, but instead is of significant consequence in our understanding of the nature of reality.

: Phil.o.sofir: : As far as life is concerned, it seems as if there is a conception that life IS THE main purpose of the universe, and only then do you apply that it is expanding as long as possible "for Life". This coincidence is a bias of this belief that life is the "goal" or purpose of the universe, thus supposing that it is intelligently designed, and thus supposing that such a designer could only have been a god............... : We are here, it is present, awareness is neat...

: Greg: : All of the universe is evolving, first through elemental evolution in the stellar furnace, then towards life in the formation of organic molecules, then towards Awareness with the formation of life, and then towards Self-Awareness through biological evolution. It is not hard to suppose that this is the purpose of the Universe, since it is the result of all the evolution that preceeds it. The coincidence I speak of is not a bias of any kind since it is merely an observation of the nature of the Laws of Physics, and the consequences of the effects of one in particular on the Universe as a whole.

***What does east or west have to do with time and the loss or gain of time? I put forth the notion that time is our perception of an changing present, this is why time travel is not possible, there is no such thing, only the effects of the past of the present can be seen and somewhat predicted in the future of the present. So your clocks were afected by a distance of speed with slow down change as it occurs in the present, thus producing different effects in this same present. I know this sounds like rewording, but there are real differences between reality (the present) and ideas (time). I say again, there is no tangable thing as time, only a changing present. How can we tell there was a past? Not by looking at time, but by looking at the "effects" of this constant present change. If one thinks about it, this is the only logical conclution. You might as well be trying to prove the existance of god as of time. As far as the assumption, again based upon life and then used as a basis for purpose and god, I can see the same thing in the earth. It evolves, it uses oxygen to make fire, it moves, it makes noise, there is nothing (other than thought) of the human mind or body which I cannot relate to the earth, it is also bigger and older. If life as we call it were not part of the limited infinite possibilities, there would still be perception (gravity), movement, change... To say we are so special is only to say that we think this of ourselves, and if said in this way, it is acceptable, but we are not special to anything else, well, maybe an alien intelligence, but not to any creator, controller...

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