Nice post.

That is pretty much what I wanted to know. But I also don't understand how one can make a comparison to a helicopter and life if they believe life "drives" itself. Even if in the future we have automated helicopters, who designed that? Everything that humans have made have been designed, from simple arrowheads, to complex computers, there is a creator behind all of it.

stormcrow replied with a post titled "life drives itself" and compared life to a helicopter. Does the helicopter drive itself with no outside intervention?

I have much respect for alexander because he does have good points, but they are all based on the assumptions that something(math, symmetries, etc.) was always here. People claim that if God existed forever, why couldn't our universe? But then I can also say if our universe existed forever, why can't God? Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

• I'm glad you approve, Mike - paulm - July 1, 2001 - 23:00 UTC
  • Math is the pilot. - alexander - July 3, 2001 - 01:34 UTC
    • I think the vitalists were right - paulm - July 3, 2001 - 05:18 UTC
      • Biology 101. - alexander - July 3, 2001 - 16:55 UTC
        • Either #2 or #3 of your offers will do. - paulm - July 5, 2001 - 20:02 UTC
          • The decision tree. - alexander - July 5, 2001 - 21:52 UTC
            • Good explanation if there is no consciousness - paulm - July 6, 2001 - 20:25 UTC
              • Laws of physics (=mathematics) only. - alexander - July 10, 2001 - 22:28 UTC