Greg: ...first you would have to convince me that your experiment prevented the natural corruption of the laser before I could accept that photons did not follow the gravitational curvature of space. Did your experiment take place in absolute darkness so as to eliminate the possibility of collision with other photons present? Was the semi-mirrored surface of the laser restricted to the size of a photon so as to assure that the sequence of photons were in a straight line to begin with? David: Yes to all the conditions you mention above. Greg: Amazing! I've never heard of a laser where the semi-surfaced area was restricted to the size of a single photon. Did the experiment prohibit the interference of cosmic rays as well? X-rays? Gamma rays? David: Actually the bending away from the curvature of space (which happens to be a straight line in the experiment) occurs at the two-pinhole screen. Greg: And of course you include in your computations the probability that it is not a straight line equal to the probability that the angles of a triangle indicate the lines of the triangle are not straight, I suppose, or did you conveniently find this probability too small to deal with since you are suggesting Einstein is mistaken? David: As each photon passes through the pinholes at the same time the quantum waves on the other side of the screen interfere so as to steer any individual detected photon away from the centerline of the experiment. This experiment has been repeated countless times and can be found in almost every optics textbook. Greg: And these quantum waves are in some way not a natural corruption of the laser? David: As far as Einstein is concerned, he proposed a thought experiment that came to be known as the EPR paradox. Alan Aspect was the first to actually perform the experiment, and it has been repeated by other scientists several times. The results are always the same: particles are "entangled" so that some of their properties are communicated faster than the speed of light. Einstein thought this impossible. The bottom-line is that quantum mechanics defeats general relativity in an experiment where their respective predictions are contrary. Greg: Funny how that star's image appeared from behind the sun before its celestrial position in the Universe came from behind the physical structure of the sun, a view visible to everyone who cared to look, and yet you can put more emphasis on a thought concerning particles you can only perceive the trails of in cloud chambers, only measure single aspects of at a time, only theoretically suggest if this particle exists, it must have an equal and opposite counterpart, and that this counterpart must instantly exhibit any alteration in state no matter the distance between them. I suppose that next you will decide that Caesium atoms in atomic clocks don't really emit different frequencies of vibration of microwave radiation according to altitude(proximity to the center of the gravitational source), and velocity, so there is no such thing as time dilation or the fourth dimension!

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