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Other Things Were Made Before Us And Before

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Posted by Mohammad Isa Mirsiam on November 12, 2000 21:04:09 UTC

Rich wrote: "How do you know everything came from nothing? There could have been something before."

Maybe there was! In our scriptures we are told that other things were made before us and before our universe, But that they were also un-made too.

Rich Wrote: "The big bang wiped out all traces of what existed in the universe before it."

Name what it was and show it to us or extrapolate a tangible argument please. It is generally understood that before one there is zero or before something there is nothing. But in our case of study we say that this zero entity or nothingness Was actually God (Allah) who would not be made manifest unless there was some living sentient and intelligent beings to acknowledge it's/his existence. This is where the principal of generosity comes in to play.

God (Allah) who exists for all eternity and has existed, out of generosity and mercy and in it's/his intelligence just decides to produce s and what we see. Now we know from the scriptures which our forefathers (Prophets and time lords) who gave birth to our generations, past and present, which include you and I had no reason to lie to their own children (including to you). Our forefathers wrote down many of their experiences with God (Allah) including some major events (which included the stories of the bible and onward; these historical events (data) were past on to us. Our later forefathers being brothers and sisters and uncles and ants (some of them) decided that they could do without God (as God had allowed us some level of free choice) but that there were to be consequences for losing touch with God (this was just the Law of Creation; for one reason or another the result of this anti God action of some of our forefathers created greed, envy, hatred amongst other bad characteristics which brought man and beast to compete in place of haring (this is the principal of sacrifice or Darwin's theory) Darwin is not wrong in his observation and theory; Darwin is just missing the point. Living under the principal of sacrifice is not the only way of life. It can be gainfully said that if the principal of generosity was to be reestablished you and I could communicate all day and have food and shelter and boundless access throughout the world having no boarder of any kind; There would be food every where and animals everywhere too (tamed, because we would be taming them all the time).

Under the principal of generosity everyone would only demand what they need for the day and room enough for themselves and their families. All of us would be tending to vineyards and animals and meditating in communion with our God (Allah) who would move us in to additionally new and better worlds painlessly and spiritually and physically by teleportation or something like it (in to newer bodies which would be our new vessels of life each time). You see right now the life that we lead in the wold is based on the principals of sacrifice which is created by greedy people who believe not in God and live to take possession of all that they can even if it means killing others or creating legal conditions for sacrifices in the wombs of our mothers and sisters (abortions) so that they can keep their promises and make the lands and foods reach the rest of us (all of his is done in the name of liberty whereas it is truly slavery!).

Let us consider you and I. We are related! but we have lost count of our generations! Why is this so? Because some of our parents were so greedy that they were busy annihilating one another to keep what they have in place of sharing it ad having time to teach and prepare their children for family gatherings and travels to see their huge family on the whole planet. You and I are now stuck with trying to figure out how we can repair or restore our family and get to know one another first before we can even have time to shelter ourselves and feed ourselves in dog eat dog word. We must face the facts some of our forefathers and mothers were just greedy horny prostitutes and killers! Now it is up to us to decide if we want to be better that they were or to follow their vein desires and way of life. Can you ad I fix the mess of our fathers by earning to first know and understand one another or do we have to continue to compete for the sake of power and greed? What is happening in the world now is that many of us younger generations have seen pace and know what it is and how it can benefit us. We do not wish to compete or kill for our turf and food. We just wish to be happy and learn how to live in harmony with nature and leave something for our children to enjoy too.

Do you think for one minute that even if our immediate parents took more time to secure lands and homes, for just their own children, in place of spending their time at bars or cinemas or on lakes or golf outings we would be in the predicament that we are in today in this world where you have o purchase everything through stores which are owned by drug lords and killers or children of killers who pay meager wages i order to keep the majority of the population in check. Ho many people do we know who live from paycheck to paycheck? You see they keep the system in check by keeping the prices of housing and food etc. equal to or less than the rate of the income of the working population. The landlords and their powerful political allies work together to insure that no one even learns about the principal of generosity; for is this was taught in the schools we would not be even attending their schools but we would learn in our own homes and villages and from our parents and nearby families who are the scientists and inventors. These parents now have to spend time teach what they know to hundreds of children at a time and for reasons that they do not even know (what will the children do with this knowledge? will they become killers like their fathers? the teacher dose not know the values of the fathers of all the children!)

You see if we sick to our first fathers original teachings we may have the chance of living the real life. (progress in technology dose not mean that we know more; it just means that we have found better ways to be more divided and lost from the original path for which we were made). Our forefathers were more intelligent in that they knew God and spoke with God and had no needs for technology. (I am not talking about cave men; these were the outcasts who chose to separate themselves from their families in order to live more like animals who live only for food and sexual desires (which lead to their reproduction and eventual extinction)these cave people had no other reason to live and they regressed in to ape-like creatures.)

I will try and explain these things in more detail as God (Allah) allows in time. Let us look around the world and see the crumbling stones and artifacts of our forefathers who died in greed and some even had their wealth buried with them only to have it excavated and removed by their children and children's children in days or years past. Empires come and go especially if they do not hold to God (Allah). Even greater systems than those of the past will come and disappear if they/we do not hold to God (Allah) and the laws of the scriptures. The Laws protect us from becoming greedy and hungry for power. The laws have practical applications in our lives.

Thanks for your honest questions Rich; I only hope that some of what I have written will help us communicate better in the future.

With Love
Atri



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