Thanks Yaniru.

You are saying that intelligence played a role in evolution?

In my veiw, one of the best evidences, if you will [actualy an inference], for theism is the material universe and its finely tuned constants and physical laws. Of course, as a biblcial literalist I would go on to propose the GOD of the Bible as the first cause, since its seems that what ever caused the universe to come into existence, would, by necessity, exist in eternity.

Some would say outside of space and time.

Some counter this with Occam's Razor, which, if my understanding is correct, is a philosophic principle that excludes "unnneccessary" complexity or the multiplication of needless entities.

My problem with this, is that the case for making a Creator unneccessay as a first cause is hypothetical or even highly conjectural, at this point. Whereas, its seems the easiest thing to do---explanation wise, is to simply infer that a designer exists, based on the observation that the cosmos was apparently designed.

I say "apparently designed" because given the fine-tuned-ness of the physical laws and what have you, it would seem self-evident that Creation owes its existence to a Creator.

Brian.

• apparent lack of design in theology and ethics - carefuluniverse - February 15, 2003 - 16:56 UTC
  • Truth vs imagination - isaiah41 - February 15, 2003 - 18:17 UTC
    • Please clarify - carefuluniverse - February 16, 2003 - 04:47 UTC
      • Semantical difference - isaiah41 - February 16, 2003 - 15:50 UTC
  • Mikeisjustjeolousbecausehedoesnotknowanyphysics - yaniru - February 16, 2003 - 19:02 UTC
    • Yes he does and he also knows spelling and the meaning of words - carefuluniverse - February 16, 2003 - 20:51 UTC
      • Say something in physics - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 07:52 UTC
        • Bite the wall - quiet - February 17, 2003 - 18:51 UTC
          • More slander from Mike Pearson - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 19:57 UTC
• finely tuned constants and physical laws. - yaniru - February 16, 2003 - 19:00 UTC
  • but it's a load of fantasy, not real physics - carefuluniverse - February 16, 2003 - 20:52 UTC
    • How would you know? - yaniru - February 16, 2003 - 23:50 UTC
      • For your bold assertion, please define "physics" - quiet - February 17, 2003 - 01:59 UTC
        • You always seek safety in definitions - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 02:41 UTC
          • Yanniru is being rude again - carefuluniverse - February 17, 2003 - 04:01 UTC
            • What are your credentials, Mike? - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 07:44 UTC
              • How many times must I post them for you? - quiet - February 17, 2003 - 18:00 UTC
                • You have none to post - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 18:19 UTC
                  • You asked me this several times before - quiet - February 17, 2003 - 19:14 UTC
                    • Try to post some physics before - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 19:58 UTC
  • Evolution is the answer for everything.... - isaiah41 - February 16, 2003 - 22:50 UTC
    • In which the answer depends upon definition (again) - carefuluniverse - February 17, 2003 - 05:55 UTC
      • This is about as scientific as you ever get - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 07:51 UTC
        • Einstein specifically disagrees with you - quiet - February 17, 2003 - 18:02 UTC
          • Einstein knew physics - yaniru - February 17, 2003 - 18:20 UTC
            • Please retire - quiet - February 18, 2003 - 01:22 UTC
              • I am retired - yaniru - February 18, 2003 - 09:49 UTC