Aurino,

If there are any differences in our view, it is that I see atheism and agnosticism as completely ridiculous in what they ask of random beginnings. Like I said, trips to Vegas clearly demonstrate that whatever is the first principle(s) of the universe, it could not be a random set of first principles. If it were random, then trips to Vegas show how unsuccessful such attempts would be of self-replicating order such as 'all of this'. On the other hand, if the first principle(s) were some kind of holistic order (i.e., God), then the explanation is not only satisfactory, it is downright obvious. I just find atheism/agnosticism to be fully unreasonable. I'm surprised that intelligent people believe in such baloney.

Warm regards, Harv

• The difference, in my opinion - aurino_s - October 31, 2002 - 16:04 UTC
  • Another caveat - yaniru - October 31, 2002 - 17:16 UTC
    • Defining 'God' - harvey1 - October 31, 2002 - 18:23 UTC
      • OK- a very broad definition of god - yaniru - November 1, 2002 - 03:10 UTC
        • slowtoburn - paprice1 - July 1, 2003 - 21:38 UTC
    • My view - aurino_s - October 31, 2002 - 19:45 UTC
      • I do think of myself as an aspect of god - yaniru - November 1, 2002 - 03:13 UTC
        • So we're quite close - aurino_s - November 1, 2002 - 13:54 UTC
          • You're both Jews? - quiet - November 1, 2002 - 16:54 UTC
            • Jesus was Jewish - yaniru - November 1, 2002 - 20:39 UTC
              • Paul was Jewish too (nt) - harvey1 - November 1, 2002 - 21:23 UTC
          • Dark matter is just a possibility - yaniru - November 1, 2002 - 20:41 UTC
            • In my personal, unqualified opinion... - aurino_s - November 1, 2002 - 21:10 UTC
              • Dark matter comes from astronomical observations - yaniru - November 2, 2002 - 01:48 UTC
                • It's not that I don't care - aurino_s - November 4, 2002 - 14:49 UTC
              • www.astronomy.net has a link to a confirmation - carefuluniverse - November 2, 2002 - 19:39 UTC