You quoted me as saying,
""The picture I see is that all human beings have their rights granted by the art of the possible...made possible by good management and good regulation."
"But that sounds like a quote from Stalin or someone?"
Alan, that is demagoguery. Either it is a quote from Stalin or it is not. Well, it is a quote from me. I don't think you even know whereof you speak! What I said is like what was written by a whole Age of post-Catholic reformers including the folks who made our U.S. Constitution. You have attempted to paint me as a control freak, but I am not. And Your denomination would not let its own laypersons even read the Bible until 1890...right?
You also wrote:
"Science has shown that biologically from conception the baby is an "alien"; is not part of the woman."
This seems to be the basis of much that follows. Apparently, the sperms and the eggs would also meet this definition. Right?
Alan, you quoted me as saying,
Quote: "If those values were universally true, then why wouldn't others have them? "
Then you replied,
"They do. They forgot them."
So you determine for others what their values are...and you say their values are the same as yours...even if the other persons are trying to tell you they have different values? Alan, how did you obtain the qualification to override the minds of others concerning their own opinions?
Alan also said,
"Most humans have forgotten (repressed) their infant experiences; so hardly seem qualified to argue against regarding infants as worthy of full respect! Surely?"
Alan, "infants" is a very vague term. I sense you
are attempting to use the lying arts to stir up something that's not here.
Most people mean babies after birth when they say "infants." You are implying that most humans argue against regarding them as worthy of full respect, but I think you are out of your mind to imply that. Perhaps you just don't know what you are saying. Get some sleep?