And NAMELY scientists who uses that INADEQUATE as you said, math are the ones who build WORKING machines, homes, communication and transportation, drugs, defend us from "acts of gods" and acts of terrorists, making our life safer, longer, more interesting, more healthier, more rich, etc. atc.

In contrast, religion ("word of god") does not explain anything about nature, can not build any machine, shelter, computer, transport, defense or even feed masses.


Strange that instead it burns and punishes scientists and their books, prohibits research insisting on promitive dogmas like Adam and Eve, 7-day creation or 6000 - year old Earth, forbids teaching Darwin and Big Bang, bans cloning of human organs and making genetically superior plants, animals and (soon) humans. ALL WHICH CONTRADICTS OR THREATENS RELIGION DOGMAS.


If you need to build a house, where do you go? To engineers (math) or to a priest (who may ask God to make a house for you)? If you need to make a parachute for yourself, would you pray to God to get an answer about needed square footage and thickness of tissue or you take a calculator and do the math? Designing car airbag? Drugs? Defense system?

That is why math - because it WORKS. And religion with all it "words of allmighty" CAN'T.

• You are betraying the principles of math - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 21:07 UTC
  • Harvey, math is EQUIVALENT to exist-does not logic. - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 21:23 UTC
    • Much too simplistic - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:04 UTC
      • Harvey, symmetry breaks due to interactions. - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:09 UTC
        • That doesn't answer the dilemma - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:13 UTC
          • Creation principle? From Adam creating gods? - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:18 UTC
            • That didn't answer the question - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:25 UTC
              • What principles? All principles of physics are mathematical. - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:29 UTC
                • Not all - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 23:00 UTC
                  • Unification simplu mean same root for all phenomena. - alexander - January 15, 2002 - 00:01 UTC
                    • Alex: gravity as refraction - dolphin - January 15, 2002 - 05:30 UTC
                      • Alan, things just ARE solutions of math equations. - alexander - January 15, 2002 - 09:00 UTC
                        • Existence is non-equivalent - dolphin - January 21, 2002 - 06:36 UTC
                        • Reductionism in science a major pitfall today... - mwangi - February 3, 2002 - 20:59 UTC
                          • testing - mwangi - February 4, 2002 - 19:09 UTC
                    • It's still just a principle - harvey1 - January 16, 2002 - 05:17 UTC
                      • Not just principle, but it is a FACT also. - alexander - January 20, 2002 - 21:19 UTC
                        • It is a fact in an 'after the fact' manner - harvey1 - January 20, 2002 - 21:33 UTC
                          • People can be wrong, math can't. - alexander - January 20, 2002 - 21:54 UTC
    • Much too simplistic - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:05 UTC
      • Harvey, symmetry breaks due to interactions. - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:10 UTC
    • Much too simplistic - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:06 UTC
      • My quotation symbol < wasn't working so I'm trying *** (nt) - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:06 UTC
      • Harvey, symmetry breaks due to interactions. - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:11 UTC
        • That doesn't answer the dilemma - harvey1 - January 11, 2002 - 22:15 UTC
          • Creation principle? From Adam creating gods? - alexander - January 11, 2002 - 22:20 UTC
            • Maths can be a "god of the gaps" too? - dolphin - January 15, 2002 - 05:32 UTC
              • No. Gods are human construct. Math not. - alexander - January 15, 2002 - 09:02 UTC
              • Alexander as contrarian - spazcon - January 15, 2002 - 19:37 UTC
                • Why should math be a god? God is being (creature), math is not. - alexander - January 16, 2002 - 04:36 UTC
                  • Who can answer this... - carefuluniverse - January 16, 2002 - 07:51 UTC
                    • Mike, people (mostly like you-with no education)make fallacies. - alexander - January 20, 2002 - 22:34 UTC
                      • Math relies on non-equivalence principle - dolphin - January 21, 2002 - 06:41 UTC
                        • Math is logic. Universe obeys logic. No gods found or needed. - alexander - January 21, 2002 - 18:45 UTC
                          • But there's a gap in your knowledge? - dolphin - January 22, 2002 - 10:11 UTC
    • Representation of objects in Math not the same as object itself. - mwangi - February 3, 2002 - 20:47 UTC