But since you appear to be trying to establish the old world order I will take you to task.

Harv wrote:
"Of course there are undefined structures in science since you cannot define everything otherwise definitions of this sort would continue ad infinitum."

There are undefined structures OUTSIDE science.
If you claim to do science without defining one of the variables or the constants, please provide an example.

Harv wrote


"The issue is that these undefined terms are beliefs and they are held to be self-evident and they are basic beliefs which are so basic that they are taken to be facts (which is how facts are defined - as something that is self-evident in nature)."

A belief in religion may have greater latitude,
and is one reason why persons prefer it who want
short-term, immediate gratification for their mental efforts.

A belief in science should refer to believing
our logarithm table has not been tampered with, NOT that some of our "knowledge" could be based on principles not open to discussion or testing
in some objective way.
Galileo's and Newton's religious views are undeniable, but they do not stand as scientific testament without real scientific review.

• Not private - harvey1 - December 26, 2001 - 18:50 UTC
  • Are some of us agreeing but seem in conflict via words - spazcon - December 26, 2001 - 21:39 UTC
    • oops I went on and on - spazcon - December 27, 2001 - 02:13 UTC