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Posted by Harvey on December 26, 2001 18:50:46 UTC

Mike,

Anyone can participate in these discussions. Although, I tend to ignore jabbering that occurs on these kind of forums (what I consider to be noise)...

>>>There are undefined structures OUTSIDE science. If you claim to do science without defining one of the variables or the constants, please provide an example.>H: The issue is that these undefined terms are beliefs and they are held to be self-evident and they are basic beliefs which are so basic that they are taken to be facts (which is how facts are defined - as something that is self-evident in nature). M: A belief in religion may have greater latitude, and is one reason why persons prefer it who want short-term, immediate gratification for their mental efforts. A belief in science should refer to believing our logarithm table has not been tampered with, NOT that some of our "knowledge" could be based on principles not open to discussion or testing
in some objective way. Galileo's and Newton's religious views are undeniable, but they do not stand as scientific testament without real scientific review.

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