Thomas,

>>>The reason people think nature cannot create itself is simple, it's because they can't understand how it could possibly have happened.>Now, interestingly, the same people who implicitly confess an inability to understand how something can exist on its own, rush to use a God that exists on its own as a good explanation. How come? The infinte regress dilemma cannot be solved, period, let's admit it.>I have a better explanation. Something obviously exists on its own, but that something cannot be known, because everything you know, you know in terms of something that preceded it. In other words, it doesn't matter how much information you have, there will always be questions that do not have known answers.>The best we can do is say that all things come from nothing (no-thing, get it?) The no-thing obviously exists, we know it because we know that things exist and that things must have come from something that is not a thing (ouch), but there's a problem with the no-thing, you can't say anything about it. You cannot describe a no-thing, you can only describe things.>Even better is to leave all this nonsense aside and deal with what we know, little as it may be it's all we have.

• well thought response! (nm) - elegantuniverse - October 29, 2001 - 18:02 UTC
• There are holes in ANY perspective - thom_cl - October 29, 2001 - 18:44 UTC
  • Then your point contradicts your position - harvey1 - October 29, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
    • My position is a fact and cannot be contradicted - thom_cl - October 29, 2001 - 19:22 UTC
      • Well who has final say here? - harvey1 - October 29, 2001 - 21:19 UTC
        • Harvey, there is a difference: natural (=mathematically - alexander - October 29, 2001 - 21:45 UTC
          • Please clarify - harvey1 - October 29, 2001 - 22:15 UTC
            • Clarification (for Harv) - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 10:16 UTC
            • If-thenism - harvey1 - November 5, 2001 - 21:30 UTC
              • Ooooh I think I see it clearly now... - smartguy - November 6, 2001 - 16:22 UTC
                • You got it! (nt) - harvey1 - November 6, 2001 - 16:46 UTC
          • Determinism or manipulation of uncertainty? - elegantuniverse - October 29, 2001 - 22:21 UTC
            • Any example of act of god? - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 10:19 UTC