Richard,

I'm not sure of the connection between nature and ID. Take for example the natural principle that central structures (e.g., nuclei, cells, etc) take prominence in the design strategy employed in the world. Is this a ID requirement? I don't think it is. I can imagine living in a world where there are very few central structures. Perhaps in that world the nature of that world is governed by de-centralized strategies (e.g., ring networks) and we would more likely see free electrons, free protons, and free neutrons all interacting in a big mesh to somehow produce higher structures (who also are governed by de-centralized structures).

The problem with saying that nature is mathematical is that a de-centralized governed universe could be just as mathematical as our universe, and if we lacked the math to describe it, just as long as there is some kind of order I'm sure the potential exists to create a mathematical language which would show how 'mathematical' that natural world happened to be.

Nature that is peculiar to our world is just that, it is the nature or extremely common behavior of our world. As it turns out, the extremely common behavior of our world is one that favors emergent structures that are akin to intelligence at work. In fact, it is so akin to it, that it even produces intelligence that works very similarly to it.

Perhaps it isn't that nature is being ID'd, rather being ID'd is, well, natural.

• I prefer to distinguish the natural and the supernatural - yanniru - September 23, 2004 - 22:13 UTC
  • A technical analogy - harvey1 - September 24, 2004 - 15:55 UTC
    • God's Will be Done - yanniru - September 27, 2004 - 13:58 UTC
      • "purpose" is not shown to be relevant in evolution - carefuluniverse - September 27, 2004 - 17:00 UTC
      • That difficulty can be overcome - harvey1 - September 27, 2004 - 17:45 UTC
        • One other caveat - harvey1 - September 27, 2004 - 21:39 UTC
          • - in the wider perspective of things - there really is no such t - yanniru - September 28, 2004 - 12:52 UTC
            • The 'hide' function is working - harvey1 - September 28, 2004 - 14:50 UTC
              • Anonymous Harv can 'hide' -- very impressive - carefuluniverse - September 28, 2004 - 22:58 UTC
            • More on free will - harvey1 - September 28, 2004 - 15:13 UTC
              • Are the ultimate decisions made before time begins? - yanniru - September 28, 2004 - 22:39 UTC
                • I voted for this before I voted against it - harvey1 - September 29, 2004 - 01:45 UTC
                  • I like the Logos but not the semantics - yanniru - September 29, 2004 - 14:19 UTC
                    • May I wade in? (pulling up pantlegs) - carefuluniverse - September 29, 2004 - 14:55 UTC
                    • Well, let me ask you - harvey1 - September 29, 2004 - 14:56 UTC
                      • I forgot the part about semantics - yanniru - September 29, 2004 - 15:52 UTC
                      • Why ask Harv? He is neither God nor 'credentialed' in this - carefuluniverse - September 29, 2004 - 19:49 UTC
                        • apologies for leaving out the word "with" - carefuluniverse - September 29, 2004 - 19:51 UTC
                      • Dark Energy, a candidate for the Eternal God - yanniru - September 30, 2004 - 12:26 UTC
                        • Science is concerned with HOW, not 'what we call it' - carefuluniverse - October 1, 2004 - 16:56 UTC
                        • Yes, I agree with you - harvey1 - October 1, 2004 - 20:45 UTC
                          • Harv states that Elija "actually did" find God in "small wind" - carefuluniverse - October 1, 2004 - 23:02 UTC
                          • Thank You Very Much - yanniru - October 2, 2004 - 18:07 UTC
                            • Although Yanniru is not thanking Mike Pearson.... - carefuluniverse - October 2, 2004 - 21:28 UTC
        • Harv states (indirectly) that he cannot see my posts - carefuluniverse - September 27, 2004 - 23:53 UTC