: According to the latest cosmological theories about the origin of the universe it appears that the universe is completely self generating. : All the forces required to start the universe can be described mathematically (of course) and there is no longer a need for a supernatural force to get the process in motion.

Well that means how you define "supernatural". Lets say that there is a God that exsists outside time and space, ie outside the bounds of the time and space that the "Big Bang" created. Then this God could be defined as supernatural and s/he could very well have just set the whole thing in motion and left things to get on with it. I find it amazing that the various particules are just the right size to enable all this to have happened. If things were slightly more or less massive or charged then none of all this would have happened. Sounds a bit like some supernatural force, outside time and space, "could" have had something to do with it.

: And yes, Hawking is correct in studying the forces at the quantum level in order to get an idea about how exactly the universe started and how it will behave on the largest scales.

Quite correct

: Physics simply doesn't allow room for a supernatural force in the universe as we know it,

What I think you mean is that physics can make a pretty good at stab at expalining the universe without the supernatural. (not that we have the theory of everything yet!) Physics can not rull out a supernatural force.

: and nothing can happen which is outside the laws of physics.

There is quite a bit that can happen outside the laws of physics (such as a singularity).

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