Let me tell you about "models that work".

They work in cyberspace, and bear no necessary relationship to the physical realities of Universe Structure and Dynamics.

True Physics puts satellites in orbit, and gives us the best chance of survival in car crashes.

Theoretical Physics is ongoing investigation into areas of science not yet understood. It is based upon hypotheses. That's why there is so much argument.

No one argues about the physics of fly paper, toilet paper or writing paper. Even brand new aircraft designs are typically successful on the maiden flight.

Have a look at 3D Studio Max. It's a 3D Animation program that can create any kind of a model.

Now have a look at Shrek. Holding a 110-lb little lady in space with no apparent means of support, frozen in time, then snapping out it to kick the living Language Removed out of two 220-lb men, is not real, no matter how much you want it to be. Donkeys don't talk in my universe.

Yet these animation models are mathematically correct, and "work". We even laugh and cry at them. But they're NOT REAL!!!

In a similar manner, there is far too much emotional attachment to the Relativity model.

• Get a clue.. - bruce - November 13, 2002 - 20:28 UTC
  • Bruce... - rayredbourne - November 14, 2002 - 12:35 UTC
    • Yeah Bruce - cosmotiger - November 14, 2002 - 22:40 UTC
      • Harv is Nicholas - quiet - November 15, 2002 - 06:02 UTC
      • Now that shot.... - rayredbourne - November 15, 2002 - 13:24 UTC
• Special Relativity... - cosmotiger - November 13, 2002 - 22:11 UTC
  • Hey Cosmo!! - rayredbourne - November 14, 2002 - 13:52 UTC
    • Ray wins on the basis of more verbage - yaniru - November 14, 2002 - 14:49 UTC
      • Gives us something to practice refuting - quiet - November 14, 2002 - 16:51 UTC
      • Crackpotty... - rayredbourne - November 15, 2002 - 13:25 UTC
        • Unfortunately - cosmotiger - November 15, 2002 - 21:11 UTC
          • Nicholas calls me a jerk; he is an expert on the subject? - quiet - November 15, 2002 - 23:09 UTC
      • One thing he has done.... - cosmotiger - November 15, 2002 - 21:09 UTC
        • So did... - rayredbourne - November 17, 2002 - 18:11 UTC
          • Great logic - cosmotiger - November 18, 2002 - 00:55 UTC
          • Ralph Alpher got the physics position - yaniru - November 18, 2002 - 01:36 UTC
            • The artistic temperament is a disease that afflicts amateurs - quiet - November 18, 2002 - 06:00 UTC
    • If only.... - cosmotiger - November 14, 2002 - 22:30 UTC
      • Nicolas, - rayredbourne - November 15, 2002 - 14:17 UTC
        • Bombs... - cosmotiger - November 15, 2002 - 19:11 UTC
          • Is Ray guided by idiocy - yaniru - November 15, 2002 - 20:10 UTC
            • No, probably ignorance - cosmotiger - November 15, 2002 - 21:06 UTC
    • Ray, your stuff on nuclear power plants is no-go - quiet - November 15, 2002 - 01:45 UTC
      • Good observations - rayredbourne - November 15, 2002 - 21:56 UTC
        • Finally.... - cosmotiger - November 15, 2002 - 22:04 UTC
          • Nick, please tell us some of your life experiences - quiet - November 15, 2002 - 22:19 UTC