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God Does Not Make/change Any Law-they Come From Math (symmetries

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Posted by Alexander on July 10, 2001 21:32:39 UTC

Motumos said: Well I never tried to say they were wrong, but many Scientist's to this day have tried to test those theories, and some of the theories you posted have been proven wrong, or not yet tweaked such as "inverse square law of interaction of charges", for example, has been proven wrong by Ampere's work which I described in my previous post.

I answered you that magnetism is a relativistic part of electric field (did you study physics?), thus magnetic force depends on DIRECTION of mutual motion of charges (which is called Amper's law). Take a Coulomb electric field of charge at rest, and re-calculate it in moving (versus the charge) reference system (using relativistic Lorents transformations). You will get relativistic electric field which can be considered as having 2 components: one - original field, and another one - relativistic addition - is what we call (label) a magnetic field. And there is nothing "magic" in magnetic interaction - it is just relativistic part of electric, and, of course, direction of it depends on direction of motion of the reference system.

You said then: But even if all of those laws were right, and even more followed showed how the universe works, even after that, it still would not prove GOD doesn't exist, because how do you not Know that GOD made those laws in order for hiw creatins to live? All of these laws or more to follw will never show there is no GOD.

Exactly opposite - there is simply NO NEED in anything else except mathematical symmetries to built a universe and to explain all forces/ objects/ motion in it - they ALL follows from various mathematical symmetries. No room and no need in Ra, Zeus, Allah, Budda, Santa Clause, etc.

Then you wrote : By the way, if you haven't read my previous post which describres how some laws have been broken in the past, and still continue to be broken to this day. Numerous people have seen laws of physics, etc be defied. Even Scientist's in these fields have seen or heard such a thing possible. How do you then explain that?

Which fundamental laws had been broken? Energy conservation? Nope. Relativity laws? Nope again.
Einstein broke Newton laws? Nope again - Newton laws hold and in fact, they follow from MORE GENERAL Einstein laws at small speeds of motion. So, the more we discover, the more GENERAL mathematical laws we discover - and the more general SYMMETRIES from which they originate.

You wrote: How do you explain Jesus changing elements into other elements in his hands? Even to this day, no human has ever had the ability to do such a thing, even with complicated machines, and computers. Besides, having the ability to ressurect people from the dead, including himself, how then do you explain the way he defied your so called laws? You know why? Whoever created those laws, also has the ability to change them?

How do I explain Jesus changing elements in his hand? To turn hydrogen (water) into carbon (vine)Jesus has to perform nuclear fusion reaction by his hands. This requires so high temperatures and releases so much energy (for a couple of quarters of water to be turned into vine) that the excessive nuclear energy is literally equivalent to medium-sized hydrogen bomb (about several megatons per quarter). That much energy literally evaporizes everything within few square miles area around Jesus (including himself), even IF he ever can perform such fusion on the first place. The ability to ignite hydrogen fusion requires such high temperatures (billions of K) which themselves make any such hot media move in all directions much more violently than strongest chemical explosive we know (with all destructive consequences if it is not contained).

Resurrecting from dead? Also myth with NO evidences PRO, (but plenty CON evidences as any funeral official or any doctor tells you). Inevitable changes soon after death in brain and then later decomposition of body too makes death irreversible process - as a consequence of chemistry (=physics=math).

So, neither Jesus nor Santa Clause, nor anyone else can change those mathematical relationships we call fundamental natural laws.

Instead, you may USE those laws and their combinations to change the outcome of complex phenomena by changing conditions. For example, you can freeze a common fly in freezer and keep it there for practically indefinite time - all chemical reactions slow down with temperature as exp(-E/kT) law governs, and in solid phase slow even much more due to no mechanical mixing of spatially separated ingredients. Take a fly out of refrigerator and let it warm up for 10-15 minutes - and witness "the resurrection" of happy fly "back to life". Biologists routinely freeze cells, bacteria, sperm and small incects/animals to experiment with them later. (Big organisms can not be cooled quickly thus ice crystals can grow big enough to damage their cell membranes, and big animals die).

So, you may see that there no way of CHANGING natural laws, but KNOWING natural laws and changing conditions you can change results of experiment in full agreement with fundamental laws.

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  • Hmm. - terry - November 15, 2001 - 11:20 UTC
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