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Posted by Harvey on June 25, 2001 23:30:28 UTC


Hi Dick,

I appreciate your reply, I was hoping that we can continue to make progress as I think we are doing.

>>>You appear not to understand the purpose of definition. Words, per se, have no meaning whatsoever. They are nothing more than sounds or visual marks (depending on which medium we are referring to: speech or writing). Words only acquire meaning when two people who are communicating agree on the meaning which will be attached to them in their communications! If the two people who are supposedly communicating are using different meanings then no communication is in fact actually taking place.>It is not nonsense at all! If you and I agree that, for the sake of our communications, the four letters "moon" will stand for a "cheese sphere that orbits the earth and sometimes eclipses the sun", then, as far as our communications are concerned, when we use the word "moon", we mean "a cheese sphere that orbits the earth and sometimes eclipses the sun". Either that is an absolute fact, or we did not really agree as to what we would mean when we used the word "moon".>>Please, when you read this, transform every occasion where I use those terms to the concepts I have presented above.>>My subconscious has also presented me with "mathematics".> Now mathematics, I (me on a conscious level) can understand. It is a structure of defined concepts. Each concept is well defined and each relation is well described (simple enough for me to follow on a conscious level). So, baring further evidence of error, I will accept mathematics as valid. The rest of the knowledge my subconscious presents is, from my perspective, totally unsupported. Just as a magician can "pull the wool over my eyes", I have no proof that my subconscious is not doing the same. I hope I have made it clear as to where I am coming from. If it is not clear to you, you might as well skip reading any further because everything I say is based on the assumption that you understand what I have said up to here.H: "Understand your point, but some subconscious thoughts could easily cause my demise if I followed through with them (e.g., jumping off a cliff)." D: From my perspective this makes no sense whatsoever as the thought of jumping off a cliff is a conscious thought, not a subconscious thought. My subconscious doesn't tell me what it is thinking, it merely presents its supposed "knowledge" of reality (its model of what is going on).

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