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Posted by E.T. on June 3, 1998 23:38:45 UTC

: : : In Problaby 100 years all the Theories of Science : : : that we have at the moment or 70 % will be in the : : : trash can> Remember when Our World was Square. : : : Faith since the man in this Earth in a way o another : : : has been the Hope of man and will be. : : : Has you seen the Movie contact from a Novel of : : : that Great man Carl Sagan. : : : I had seen it 3 times

: : Remember when the universe was geocentric because the church would not have it any other way? And by the way, just what disproved the Flat earth, science or religion?

: : Yes, sergio, I have seen the movie a couple times myself (as always, the book is much better). It amazes me that you can call Carl Sagan a great man when he was just as critical if not more than I about faith and religion. The movie touches apon faith in science, and the point is a true scientist (Elli Arrowway) CANNOT make theories without evidence, even when they've seen it with their own eyes. Faith then relies on the hypothesis (other intelligent life) and the search for hard evidence must continue. This was at the very core of what Carl Sagan was trying to say.

: Look I'm sure I will not change your believe, : but my believe will not change either. : I wasn't saying anything about Religion I'm : talking about the real existence of some force : we call God that exist. : Many years ago I was speaking to a Catholic Priest : and He told me something that I always remenber. : They were to persons one did not believe in God, : but was a very good person,act like a good Human being : The other was believer but it wasn't good with : other people : When they died, the non believer was call by God : to his side, the believer went to Hell. : What he want to tell me in that Story, : The most important is to be a good person. : You saw the Movie in your way and I saw it in my : believe. : I don't know if Mr. Sagan believe or not but He was a Great Person. : I don't judge people for his believe but his acts.

Hi Sergio, I'm glad that you've met up with that Open Minded priest. At least , though I'm a free thinker, I'm glad to hear from a priest that one may still get to heaven, (if there is one), so long he behaves himself to be a good human being. However, I dont see priests with such kind of mentality in my hometown. The priests here advocate even if you are bad all the while, all you need to do is to accept god, pray, and you will be forgiven. And next time you've erred again in your life, just pray, you will be forgiven,.. and the cycle goes on. To me such teachings over here really piss me off. All they want is to have believers, but NOT good believers or good people (even if they are not beliver. So what I've learnt from this forum is... when science says the sun, all the people in the world understand which sun. Whereas in god, too many uncertainties and assumptions, result in so many religions and teachings. Therefore , until today, my stance is be a good and nice person, be it there is God or not .

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