: : : : So then what do you believe in? that in a infinite change that the universe was created by mistake It can nearly bearly ever happen THIS is the percentile it will happen (.0000000000000000000000infinite000000000000000000infinite000000000000001

: : : I don't know where you got your numbers but that percent really dosn't matter anyway. Reason being, infinite time! No matter what the percent if it has infinite amount of time for it to happen sooner or later it will.

: : Your right in suggesting that numbers are irrelevant, : : but consider your arguement more closely.

: : I've done great study with infinitism; whether it : : is possible to have an "actual" infinity exist in : : space time. It is not. It is, however, possible to : : have a "potential" infinity in existance within the : : realm of time.

: : Time cannot allow for an infinite amount of itself. : : This would be like trying to jump out of a bottomless : : pit. (speaking from cosmological origins)

: : Remember that if the universe was created somewhere : : on your infinite time line, then the universe would : : also have ceased to exist an eternity ago...

: : -nåte

: : Yes, I sort of understand, but I thought that time itself could be infinite. Reason being, it makes up what we call space time. Wouldn't some kind of space and some kind of time have to of always existed for it to exist at all? Or could you just say that there would be enough time for it to happen because time is close to infinite?

No, not at all. First, your proposition of, " it makes up what we call space time." is a presupposition that is false.

Your assuming that because space time is infinite, then time must be as well.. right?

Space and time are only existing because matter is present, and the same for matter. It is impossible for matter to be present without space and time.

Given this, it is known that our universe is not infinite in scope. It has finite boundaries just as any dimension has limiting characteristics (when involving matter) Our universe is expanding at an accelerating rate and scientific evidence leads to the theory of the cosmological constant. As the universe expands as vast as it is, there is a force that tends to accelerate the space time boundaries faster and faster. This is however a much much weaker force than gravity. If the boundary of our universe is expanding faster and faster, then we know gravitation no longer has its dominant force controlling the expansion. (not to say that it is not in affect, but has no dominance)

The point being is this... If one has matter present and an expanding space time, one concludes a point of origin. Time by definition needs a point of origin, or starting point rather.

It is impossible by definition to have an 'actual' infinity of time. There are many examples that colorfully explain and display this paradox.

-nåte

• Re: Brad, that is bad logic... - Brad - May 2, 1999 - 03:42 UTC