: Well I would argue that the universe and therefore mathematical laws come into being on their own, and the latest theories like those of Hawking and Guth imply this concept. I feel the impasse has once more been met.

... and, as always, I feel the impass will once more be breached, dear me what an argument!!! Like susan said above, as time and space is finite, how can you try to prove or disprove something that is outside it?