i used to think of it that way, too. if i recall correctly, i used to think you wouldn't catch me dead hangin' out with him; now you won't catch me alive without him. strange. and i think i'd feel the same way even if there were no heaven to look forward to; it hasn't been all 'happy happy joy joy', but i think it would have been much LESS so given the circumstances of the past several years. hmmm... :) what brings you to the god and science forum, louielouie?