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RE: God`s Inexistence

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Posted by Andy™ on October 25, 2000 20:30:00 UTC

Please could somebody please explain to me why we as humans have some sort of "Parent" or divine leader. Why are we in his image. we as humans are merely living creatures as all others on this planet.

We (humanity) have created parent figures through history because, among other reasons, we as a race are afraid of our decisions. We prefer to have a deity to pray to or blame because of, or about our decisions. Belief in God, however is different because God doesn't govern our lives or play with humanity like Norse, Greek, Incan etc. gods.

god is a creation of man not the other way around. Gods have been created by man since the beginnings of our existence, tens of thousands of years ago. God or gods are merely the manisfestation of man`s desire to explain the world or universe around him.

Believe it or not, there are things that occur in this universe that are completely beyond scientific explanation. Not many, and many are frauds, but they do exist. One of the things that makes God different from created deities is he lacks the human flaws that humanity projects onto its god-figures.

Look to life with an open mind and you will see the true beuty and miracle that life is. Not just the thoughts and actions of some "divine" being but the evoulution of simpler beginnings over time.

You're absolutely right that life is a miracle. The lack of evolutionary links between phyla, the apparent leaps of evolution according to the fossil record, the fact that matter forming after the big bang has odds similar to winning the lottery, and then the odds of planets forming around stars are like the same person winning the lottery a second time, and then the incredible odds that a planet's specifications are ideal for life to evolve are like winning the lottery for a third time. I could go on, but the point has been made. The odds of such things occurring are so extreme, that there is no way it could happen. There were very limited windows of opportunity in which events after the big bang had to occur.

I'm not denying evolution, because the evidence points toward it, but even Darwin himself knew that for life to begin, it had to be created at the beginning. (read his closing thoughts in his famous book.)

We as a human race would benefit far greater if we would strive to explain the things we experience and imagine in a scientific or physical sense, instead of our primitive and historical view we call religeon.

We, as a race, do not try to explain events through religion. We strive to explain them scientifically and succeed most often. Many events portrayed in the bible are scientifically explainable, not all, but many. Even a six day creation is possible if one considers the fact that the CBR is the cosmic clock and by its standards and how much faster the "ticks" of the cosmic clock were after the big bang. By that method, it is possible to have 15 billion years of evolution in what would have been on earth a 24 hour day.

I refer you to how religeon changes and evolves like life to suit an ever technologically advanced and scientific way of life. Thousands of years ago much more difficult questions such as creation of life and consciousness were important and noted by gods but simpler ones to us but fantastical questions to them were explained by use of gods. i refer you to the Greeks and there many gods. Zeus (Thunder) etc. notions of a god directly causing thunder to our modern nation would make any religous person laugh, but therein lies the ultimate proof of gods inexistence, how he was created and how religeon has changed since our ancient times. Religeon is merely the manisfestation, the quickest answer to our most difficult of questions to answer.

Creation of deities to explain natural occurrences is one thing, and did occur through the ages. But now, look around you. We have many things we cannot explain and yet we do not associate a deity to them. We cannot explain how a black hole is possible, but we don't associate a god tugging at the fabric of space and time is the cause. Humanity has always sought the easiest route, and we always will, even if we do tend to moderate ourselves in recent times.

Many of our most brilliant minds in history claimed to believe in God's existence. Einstein, Newton even Steven Hawking has recently begun attending a church. Brilliant men all who have found that there are things in our universe that are so incredible and are so unlikely that there is no possible way they could have created themselves via chance.

The days of using gods to explain rudimentary occurrences are past. God himself is still perfectly valid. Just because we are in his image doesn't mean we are physically created in his image. God has no body. being in his image simply means we have a soul. He quite possibly endowed us, the smartest beings on earth, with this soul at the end of the last day of creation (which, by the CBR was 1/4 billion years long).

Your position on the existence of God is quite plain. You made it clear simply by titling the thread in this manner. No amount of probability or statistics will change your mind about God’s exists. There's a chance, however slim, that a first-hand experience might, but it is unlikely if you have already closed your mind to the possibility, which you apparently have, judging by the title of the thread. Chances are, you wouldn't even be able to recognize the event. It is wise to continue to consider possibilities, however improbable they may be. If I hadn't, I would never have considered applying the Law of Relativity to the six day creation and found that a six day creation equals roughly 15.75 billion years, using the CBR as a cosmic clock (CBR is shorthand for Cosmic Background Radiation, an apparent remnant of the big bang.).

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