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Posted by Alan on April 1, 2006 03:32:27 UTC

from another forum; may interest you ( of everything discussion forum)

Free Will
Conf: Logical Theology
From: Alan
Date: Friday, March 31, 2006

Two quotes:

A quote of a quote:

"....If one fully understands the present moment, there is nothing left to do, and nothing else to pursue."

A quote (Russell):

"The existential manifold forms the basis of our perceptual infrastructure, from which, the distinct attributes of the whole form relative identities with respect to the other attributes. Understanding follows from awareness of self and to fully understand the present moment is an end to the means, for our perceptual field of dreams."


Suppose you are transparent to that which exists. That is, you do not deny anything that exists.

This is very gentle. Every thought, feeling, and fear you have is; that you have these things are part of reality.

So if you are afraid of spiders; that is a fact. If somebody tries to prohibit you from being afraid of spiders; that is another part of reality.

Reality is in this regard is always for you in that anything you don't like about the universe is ITSELF a fact ("your not liking something about the universe"). Existence includes all your thoughts, all your feelings; existence respects you, cradling you in pure gentleness.

Suppose you are transparent to reality. You do not know your future; yet it feels as if it is ALREADY known.

That is because "though I walk in the valley of darkness, no evil do I fear" (I am using the words of this quote in what seems a different application...?)

Numbers (tallying things) are now optional. "As you bind on Earth, so it is considered bound in Heaven; as you loose on Earth, so it is considered loosed in Heaven".

"If you had faith as a grain of mustard seed, nothing would be impossible to you".

What is "nothing"? "No thing": no uncertainty as a matter of principle. What you do: it is you who do it; what you say, it is you who say it. Freedom and responsibility.

FREE WILL; the ability to experience eternal life? to be fully conscious; to live "in a world without end"???

Quoting: "if one fully understands the present moment, there is nothing left to do, and nothing left to pursue".

When I write a "math-free analysis" of a science problem I get some curious reactions; people seem to think I am writing "nothing". They are looking for some compulsory thing in my writing; but where? But math-free analysis involves making numbers optional. It's about FREE WILL: free future; it's about giving you EVERYTHING to pursue, and everything to do; a FREE future, not a compulsory (i.e. number-affected) one?

Baby witness:

I recall when I was a newborn baby. My body and spirit were one. After birth I find something seems terribly wrong; why do not adults see my spirit (or only via a lot of distraction)?

After being separated from my mother (as was the practise in those days) I cried intensely; I tended to die; but dying didn't work.

My twin knew my thoughts, I knew his thoughts. A "Mexican standoff"; neither could "change state" into a different body-spirit situation without the other seeing straight through it.

In the end, we both changed state (something almost all humans do I suspect
shortly after birth after facing the crisis of "a world that seems to have gone wrong").

At the moment of the state change: I saw my future, right up till....

My "clock stopped" ...

I fell out of time....

My spirit went from being one with my body to being as if trapped in a small space somewhere behind the eyes.

Russell you can figure this out:

a way of interpreting this might be:

"seeing my future": if you "tip the playing field"; the "field of all possible futures logically consistent with each other" gets skewed; so the "potential future" becomes a biased set of alternative futures so becomes seen in so far as the tipping of the playing field reveals for one instant a substance to future?


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