the first one [several times]. Without the communication [passing critical information] before they separate the meaning of the measurement 'above and beyond what the measurement is' wouldn't be known and no rescue ship would be sent. The second one you assume an instantaneous message can be sent which creates a causal relationship where information propagated FTL. If it could then SR would be violated. The experts on quantum non-local effects believe they are to random to violate Einstein's causality. There are other experts who believe that any signal can be construed as having carried information so a debate exists 'what is information'. Thats why it is important to understand what this actually means at the experimental level 'no causal relationship can exist which requires information to propagate faster than the speed of light'. You said the relativity community has a problem accepting 'whatever' when it is actually scientists who have done the experiments who have the best knowlwdge of what is happening.

• Maybe I didn't catch that... - harvey1 - October 28, 2003 - 20:57 UTC
  • ...we are communicating vast distances - harvey1 - October 28, 2003 - 21:00 UTC
  • It strikes me as a message... - bruce - October 28, 2003 - 23:23 UTC
    • Well... - harvey1 - October 29, 2003 - 04:10 UTC
      • The limit appears to be... - bruce - October 29, 2003 - 04:43 UTC
        • I don't think we can - harvey1 - October 29, 2003 - 13:01 UTC