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Posted by Eric Clark on September 30, 2003 14:44:18 UTC

The “notion” of these things being uncaused is incorrect in my view as well.
Doesn’t “notion” and “concept” refer to “knowledge” ?

RE: * causation (i.e., non-caused Creator) does not apply to God. *

We agree on this point and this was really my main point. I also agree with the use of primitives in causation, but, technically, I cannot agree that God, or truth, or causation, or logic are primitives. However, “knowledge” of these things are primitives.

Q: If we cannot include the origins themselves ( God, truth, causation, logic, etc. )
as primitives, then what can we include as usable for application ?
A: The derivative, “knowledge of them”. (notion, concept)

Technically, the differentiation is between “He Himself” and the “knowledge of Him”, or between the “thing itself” and the “knowledge of it”. We can use the derivative.

Reality may include a primitive of the “knowledge” of God, but not God Himself, as God Himself created reality. I will presume this is what you meant by “concept” and “notion” as having God “included” in reality leads to the paradox of God creating Himself.

The derivative can and is included in reality.
The “knowledge” of God, and truth, and causation, and logic are all caused and, thus, fit the causation model.

Hence, the “notion” of these things being uncaused is incorrect in my view as well since

“notion” is caused.

Agreed ?

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