Yes, I'm following what you are saying, but you'd have to show that a definition of consciousness conflicts with the isomorphisms between language and reality. For example, a main problem with Dick's model is that it wishes to show that there are necessary constraints in our 'subconscious' perspective, however he assumes our 'subconcious' experience to reach the level of logic needed to show these necessary constraints. It is argumentum in circulo (circular reasoning).

You might try and show that our language is not sufficient to identify the concept of consciousness by using reductio ad absurdum (assume that it is and show the contradiction). I'd be interested in that argument.

• Give me some time - aurino_s - May 20, 2003 - 19:31 UTC