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Creationists To Prove The Light Is 6,000 Years Old ????

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Posted by Richard Ruquist on October 1, 2002 13:30:47 UTC

The above post contains many unfounded statements:

Please tell how creationists can prove that light is only 6,000 years old. That is the most outrageous claim in your post. On the contrary the observation of hyperfine constant from stars and quasar light that is billions of years old both establishes the age of the light and the fact that is does not slow down when propagating in a vacuum. BTW- the light has to speed up to make the universe younger. Slowed light would just make it older than we now think. You got it backwards as usual.

Here are more unfounded statements:

***If you mean the Sabbath, then Jesus said he was the Lord of the Sabbath and declared that every day is equal to the other. So all the time we should strive toward perfection. ***

You do not know the Torah. The creation is celebrated one time a year on Rosh Hasannah. God commanded that this be celebrated every year by everybody for all time. Do you? Jesus did not declare every day equal to each other. That is not even correct Christian thinking. God commanded us to rest on every seventh day, and on every seventh year, and for two years after 48 years. Jesus did not change that. In fact he said that we had to keep all the laws to get into heaven.

The striving for perfection is a change towards eastern religious thinking. Jews formerly only had to stay within the law and so they stayed pretty close to the boundaries of the law, as most people still do today. But Jesus told the jews that they had to strive for the center of the law where lies perfection. Please read it in the Greek. Jesus by the way siad it in Aromaic, but it was never written down in Arimaic.

***Why did you say she? God clearly states the He is a He.***

Are you saying that God is subject to DNA? Not very likely. It is the jewish Rabbis that said that, because of the problem of monthly uncleanness. God is not a physical being, unless you believe that god is everything, including both male and female. But then god is much more than just the physical. The physical universe according to astronomers is less than 1% of the universe.

*** If one looks at history science has always been moving closer to the Biblical Creation Story. ***

No way. As we became able to see more and more of the universe, the universe in our estimation became older and older, starting from 4,000 years old. Now it is at least 15 billion years old, according to astronomers.

***Also what do you think about my idea that light slows down as it goes through space? I not sure if it just ages or if it is effected by gravity as it passes through space. ***

Here is one way that your thinking could be modified to make it correct. Light does not slow down, but the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. So as we go out in space, that space is receding from us at an increasing rate.

So near the creation or big bang when space was not expanding so fast, more light was able to reach us. But now since the universe is expanding much more rapidly, most of the light in the universe does not even reach us. That light is beyond our event horizon where space is expanding away from us faster than the speed of light. It's like an inverse black hole, except that it is like we are surrounded by an emmense black hole in all directions where light is trapped from ever reaching us.

We see evidence of the black hole in the red shift of the light that we can see. That red shift is the best measure of the age of the light we see, within the bounds of the Hubble Constant, which is now about plus or minus 10%. Assuming it is constant in time, quasar light has been measured to be 12 billion years old plus or minus one billion. But since the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate and the Hubble Constant is nbot constant in time, that light could be much older. The highest number I have seen in the literature is a 30 billion year old universe.

So your idea that light slows down is near the truth. It does not slow down. It just loses energy resulting in a lower frequency light called the red shift. But that is exactly the phenomenon that allows us to be certain the the universe is billions of years ole rather than thousands. So even your intuition is contradictory to your thinking.



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