Phil.o.Sophir: : ***Hi Greg, I do not suppose to be anything like Einstein, he was real smart! :) It is probably my own determined denial of what the experts tell me. Then I think of the past experts that everyone listened to, although they have not been "proven" wrong, the world view in general has replaced them with scientists, which is great! But I just cannot bring myself to agree with anything that does not make sense, no matter how special the specialists are, they have been completely wrong over the historical record, that is how we eventually find what is right. Discussion plays a huge part in theory adaptation these days, unfortunately science is still very biased against anything that digs at its roots. : As faras the rainbow, it is not one dimensional, it can be percived from billions of vantage points, but not from the opposite side, you are again refering to perception, the same with the atomic clocks, and the twist. All of them are a part that we chose to focus upon in a certain manner, allowing us to decieve ourselves. The rainbow is made up of a prism effect of the atmosphere, the clocks lose a billionth of a second due to speed of movement, and the line if put under an electron microscope looks like mountains. How about a one way glass/mirror, from one side you can see the other, but not the other way around, this only means you cannot percieve more than one dimension of it, but cast a bright light upon the darkened side and you can see everything perfectly. Nothing has only one side, it takes volume for there to be anything at all, and this is dependent on the three mesurments of h/l/w or however you want to express them. : Of course I am only playing with ideas that make sense to me while not accepting assumptions that are already accepted/assumed to be factual. Greg: It is alright to doubt the validity of science, but not because it doesn't make sense. Rather we should aspire to realize how and why it does make sense, if at first it doesn't seem to. The atomic clocks lose AND gain time because of their movement, depending on whether they fly east or west, but it is also because of their relative proximity to the Earth's Center of Gravity. This is what demonstrates that Time IS the Fourth Dimension. It doesn't matter Why atoms move slower closer to the Earth's Center of Gravity, or that it is motion that is considered, only the fact that they DO move slower is important. The difference between faster moving atoms high up, and slower moving atoms at sea level, IS the Dimensional View of Time. The pencil drawn line of the Mobius Twist is part of its 3 dimensional counterpart, it is the fact that the pencil never moves, yet traces a line back to its origin, that demonstrates its one dimensional property. The actual pencil line has nothing to do with it, only the fact that the point of the pencil never moves. The distance between one side of a Rainbow where you can see it and the other side where you can't, contains no depth, you're just suddenly there. Its cause is 3 dimensional, but the prism effect at most covers two dimensions, height and width, it has no depth. The Mobius Twist shows us one dimension, the Rainbow shows us two dimensions, we perceive in three dimensions, and Time is the Fourth Dimension. It is the job of science to try and make sense of Reality, but it can't help us make sense of it if we ignore what it shows us. :o)