: : There is God and there is Satan (two mighty creatures).

***If this is so, where are they? In your head!

B: Yeah, when they are not real then they are in our heads and hearts, but that is not a big difference.

God said the humankind is not a failure and Satan can not encourage them for evil. Satan said: “Of course, I can do!” and then he began his evil work. That’s the story, isn’t it? Satan tries to corrupt the humans and God puts faith in his creation.

***We encourage ourselves by using supernatural excuses for our thinking and actions.

B: Of course, but that is not important...when the “supernatural excuses” will help us to change the world then it’s ok.

: : God must do nothing, he knows that the humans will not fall. There is no reason to give advices or rules - his creation is a triumph!

***Fall from what? Life is full of natural rules. Triumph over what? Evil? How could there be such a thing if all things were created by god?

B: That all is a Bible story. It’s crazy and contradictory. It’s a ridiculous work of men or the clever work of Satan...but that is the same: The Bible is a book that deserves a consuming fire!

But Satan must become active, he wants to prove that the humans are bad.

***Bad according to god or satan? Active? All I see are human actions, are they not responsible?

B: Of course, humans are responsible. They have the power to change the world. When they recognize that the Bible is “bad” then the first step is done!

: : Hmmmm...so what would Satan do? Would he say to the humans something like: “You must be bad!”, “Kill other humans!”, “Make war!”, “Be greedy!”???

***He would sit back and let us destroy ourselves the same way god does.

B: No, not Satan. He wants fun...ha ha...and he is a funny guy!

No, certainly not! The humans would see that this is not good for them and they would revolt. Yeah, Satan would not be so stupid, he would do something more clever! Not?

: : Hmmmmmm...what would a Satan do to corrupt the humankind? Surely he would use a trick...he would confuse them and lead them astray. I bet, he would have written the Bible if he could! That is the best was to cause bad!

***So it is the bible that gets the blame and not ourselves for misusing it? Its just a book!

B: Yes, just a book full with words...and a simple word can destroy it’s power, that’s our chance... It’s our choice it’s our blame!

: : Could it be that Satan is so clever? Could it be that Satan has written the Bible? When he did that then he did a very good job, didn’t he?

***From a mans point of view, I find that gender steriotyping offensive, have you verified "his" physical characteristics? Boobs have been known to save and/or destroy entire nations! They are a reminder of things a little lower from eye level.

B: Hmmm...I don’t know, but I thought the Bible says Satan is a male. Not important...or?

The Bible has changed the world but never in a good way.

***The bible opened the way to science, has given people hope, and compassion, giving of themselves.

B: NO! The Bible is obstructive to the science! Hope? No, only terror and pain!

The Bible is the reason for discriminations, perversions, inquisition, intolerance, crusades, etc. etc. etc. (has the Bible ever caused something good?)

***The bible and the many other religious texts in this world eventually gave us something to question, there never would have been athiesm without them. I don't know what there would have been, but it could have been worse! Here we sit, talking freely about the existance of such things, it took a long time and many have (and will) suffer, but it is a necissary adaptation in our progression. Alternatives to religion are here to stay, and we have only begun to explore.

B: Without the religious texts we would take more care of the living humans than of the dead. The “real” world would be better because we would not waste our time and power by worshipping “ghosts”!

: : A good God wouldn’t have written such an important book that nobody really understands and that causes so much sorrow.

***No one really understands Shakespeare...

B: Fortunately his books are not very important!

A supernatural intelligence must know what will happen...

***"Supernatural" might be an alien intellignce that to us would seen almighty, but would have its limitations as all things do.

B: Yeah, but even a limited supernatural intelligence must have known what a Bible would cause.

and Satan knew it! He wrote the Bible and the humans stopped to think - they began to believe. They did terrible things in the name of the good! They stopped to look at the real world around - they began to worship a material, “crazy” book and tried to see God in it... : : Could it be that Beelzebub is an angel? : : Could it be that the Bible is Devils work?

***Hey Bezz, throw it right back at me will ya? I just want to argue and I've seen you are good at it. :)

B: Hmmmmm... is Beelzebub an angel???

• Discussing the Bible and God - Phil.o.Sofir - December 29, 1999 - 01:49 UTC
  • Re: Discussing the Bible and God - Beelzebub - January 2, 2000 - 18:50 UTC
    • If humanity does not survive, will all this thinking have been in vain, or simply the end of one speck of the universe's expressionism of its possibii - Phil.o.Sofir - January 5, 2000 - 03:08 UTC