: Looks like you missed some of my posts earl.

: Post #1) : Before God there was nothing right? Then God began to create things, but some of these things (satan), eventually became evil. Hmmmm. God created Satan, and satan is evil. Therefore, God is the ultimate cause of all evil. Satan goes on to create the rest of the evil (if not directly then indirectly) How else could evil exist if there was nothing before God's creation?

: Also, why couldn't God simply create all people, as good saints? Does a saint have any less free will than a sinner? These are questions that I've asked to my Sunday school teachers when I was a kid, and they basically told me what you're telling me right now: that to question is evil, and the tool of the devil to mislead. Is it really? Or is unquestioning loyalty in religion used as tool of the powerful to persuade the weak? Ask yourself all the horrible things that have been done in the name of God, and nothing has really been done to stop it. The powerful, remain powerful/ the rich remain rich. God has not solved injustice.

: All this sorrow and pain you describe is unnecessary. An all powerful God could have created things much better, and you promise that some day he will, but for now is doing something else (I've never received a satisfactory answer to this question either), working through people (which I find suspicious - could these "prophets" not be those seeking glory and recognition?).

: God (at least the christain god) doesn't make sense. If God could create the world at the wave of a hand, he should be able to recreate it better, at the wave of a hand. There's no reason why it's taking so long, and Jesus has to battle it out with Satan on his own turf. Just poof! Like divine intervention, rectifies all ill (just like how the world was created in 7 days).

: Post #2 : Do you have kids Earl? If you do, one day, tell them this and see what happens: "Kids, this is my mysterious secret basement room, that's... : FORBIDDEN. Don't go down there. You can go anywhere else in the house, but not there." And that's it, don't tell them why it's bad or what's : down there and see what happens. I'll bet, that eventually, human curiosity will prevail, and they'll want to see what's really down there. When : they do, would you punish and discipline them so harshly as God did just for disobeying you? I wouldn't, that's how kids learn. Through : experience. : You might say that Adam and Eve were created perfect, but they must not have been so perfect if they were fooled right? Humans that could : not be fooled are obviously more perfect than ones that could be fooled. Why didn't God create these such humans (especially knowing that he : banished Satan to earth. Gee, that wasn't very all knowing of God to be so absentminded as to overlook such a detail, now was it?) And let's : say that after Adam and Eve did this, why could God not rectify it? Right then and there, he could have said, "okay, you made a mistake. I'm all : knowing and compassionate. I understand. So, here you go, here's your immortality back in paradise again, free of suffering. Hope you learned : your lesson." But of course he doesn't do that. That would be too easy. Instead, he expels his "children" who he supposedly loves very dearly, : to fend for themselves, cursed to be sinful beings. Is that the actions of a parent? Does this story really make sense? It's one of those "how the : camel got it's hump" stories. It's supposed to explain why humans are imperfect. I seriously doubt that it's literally true however.

: I'm asserting that much of the bible is like this. It's not supposed to be exactly 100% true, otherwise it wouldn't be so ridden with contradictions. : It's a reflection of the perception of humans and God in a time where humans hadn't developed sufficient science and technology (which of : course you'd ascribe to be evil). If you don't accept logic, than any kind of argumentation is useless, because that's what an argument is: using : logic to persuade/get your point across. : Earl here: I believe you missed a lot of my posts, where I explained all this, but, even tho I state what Christ said of the Father, and of himself, will the athiests listen? Will the evolutionists listen? No, they're too "intelligent" they make up God on their own terms like Alexander did long ago, like Sodom and Gomorrah did long ago, like the angels did that fell with lucifer. That is why God chose the simple things to confound the wise Again it is not me you argue with, but what I simply quoted from the teachings of the Bible, Gods word, which He puts above His name. Like I said also, watch the prophesies coming to pass before your eyes, that Jesus said would happen before the end. But, you won't know because you won't read the scriptures. You have no excuse for not being saved because you have heard, it would have been better if you had not heard. Than to hear and reject it. Your last condition is worst than your first.